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Dec 28 2010 07:34pm
Quote (ArcticWolf6 @ Dec 28 2010 05:54pm)
Yeah, that's sort of telling people not to go to a mental health professional. Do you want the thousands of well documented cases where depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain?

Everything you're saying is borne of ignorance.

Every time you say that depression isn't a real disease, you're spitting in the faces of everyone with actual depression. Because the implication is that there's something wrong with them, not that they have a disease. People with depression have an enormous social stigma because people just want them to cheer up. They can't. Go tell a schizophrenic to stop hallucinating and see how well it works. What you're doing here is actively hurting people with depression, because either they'll believe it or somebody they know will, and people won't acknowledge that they're sick.


It is not im intention to hurt anyone, so if that seems to be tha case i am very sorry. But i myself have been diagnosed with depression and have been on alot of differant depression and anxiety medications, most of them making the situation worse, they others did nothing. In the end the psychiatirst just said "hrm, i guess you must not be depressed" but i still felt like crap
maybe my opinion comes from a bad personal experiance with a psychiatrist and a wonderful one with Jesus

So i am sorry if it seems like im saying that depression isnt real or that you shouldnt go see a doctor, beause that is not my intention
and thank you ArcticWolf6 and bentherdonethat for calling me on it
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Dec 28 2010 07:43pm
Quote (JonnyDangerouz @ Dec 28 2010 05:34pm)
It is not im intention to hurt anyone, so if that seems to be tha case i am very sorry.  But i myself have been diagnosed with depression and have been on alot of differant depression and anxiety medications, most of them making the situation worse, they others did nothing.  In the end the psychiatirst just said  "hrm, i guess you must not be depressed"  but i still felt like crap
maybe my opinion comes from a bad personal experiance with a psychiatrist and a wonderful one with Jesus

So i am sorry if it seems like im saying that depression isnt real or that you shouldnt go see a doctor, beause that is not my intention
and thank you ArcticWolf6 and bentherdonethat for calling me on it


I'm sorry I overreacted a little bit. I've just got a lot of personal experience with this, and it really frustrates me when people tell people that depression isn't something doctors can help with, because so many people need and get help from them. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience, though. I know that can really hurt the perception.
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Dec 29 2010 12:17am
beentherdonethat and arcticwolf6 are SO WRONG on many aspects of what they have said so far
don't try to chew someone out until you've got your facts straight kids

and for the op, it seems that you are jus needing jesus, lmk if u want to know more
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burn him
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burn some more
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/e because I changed my mind

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beentherdonethat and arcticwolf6 are SO WRONG on many aspects of what they have said so far
don't try to chew someone out until you've got your facts straight kids

If I'm wrong, I welcome you to point out where. I'm always up for learning something new, so point out what was wrong from what I said.
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Jesus is coming back soon.
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Dec 29 2010 02:21pm
Quote (ArcticWolf6 @ Dec 29 2010 12:54am)
Yeah, that's sort of telling people not to go to a mental health professional. Do you want the thousands of well documented cases where depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain?

Everything you're saying is borne of ignorance.

Every time you say that depression isn't a real disease, you're spitting in the faces of everyone with actual depression. Because the implication is that there's something wrong with them, not that they have a disease. People with depression have an enormous social stigma because people just want them to cheer up. They can't. Go tell a schizophrenic to stop hallucinating and see how well it works. What you're doing here is actively hurting people with depression, because either they'll believe it or somebody they know will, and people won't acknowledge that they're sick.


did you even read what he said...

there are chases of which both might be right,,,

being sad and depressed and down is quite normel for some,, does not allways mean you need to see a doctor and get medicin,, I am against alot of the *drugs* medicin being given to people today,,

but that is another story

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Jesus is coming back soon.


your faith is amazing :)

This post was edited by haloneya on Dec 29 2010 02:22pm
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Dec 29 2010 10:18pm
Quote (Conviction @ Dec 28 2010 10:17pm)
beentherdonethat and arcticwolf6 are SO WRONG on many aspects of what they have said so far
don't try to chew someone out until you've got your facts straight kids

and for the op, it seems that you are jus needing jesus, lmk if u want to know more


Read the OP. Self-loathing and thinking about death constantly is a mental disease, not a spiritual deficiency. Feel free to actually tell me where I am wrong.

Quote (haloneya @ Dec 29 2010 12:21pm)
did you even read what he said...

there are chases of which both might be right,,,

being sad and depressed and down is quite normel for some,, does not allways mean you need to see a doctor and get medicin,, I am against alot of the *drugs* medicin being given to people today,,

but that is another story


No, being sad and depressed is not normal. Where in the world did you get that idea? It might be a regular state for some people, but it's certainly not normal, and it's certainly not something to acquiesce to.




Look, I'm not trying to say that spiritual wellness isn't important. That's something I'm always working on. But disease is disease, and the body can't be healed through faith alone. You wouldn't sit there and pray for a broken leg to be healed, you would go to a doctor. Going to a doctor is not a sign of weakness of faith.

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Dec 29 2010 11:55pm
i know this is a touchy subject and i too have been very indesicive about the matter
psychological diseases - are they foreal? some are and some aren't
i've interned on a psych ward before and have interviewed many of the patients
i've met depressed clients, schizophrenic clients, bipolar (manic-depressive) clients, PTSD clients, ADHD and Autistic clients, and i'm sure there are many people who i haven't met and are probably off the wall
so many things you can label yourself and shift the blame on that "disease" instead of dealing with your own problems
many of these patients of whom i have had a chance to open up a conversation about eternal things did not have a personal relationship with christ (and i'm not saying even christians cannot develop these issues)
but i will say that the mind has a power over the body on an enormous scale, you said something about the chemical imbalances of the brain causing depression, may i suggest to you that it is not the physical changes causing the psychological changes but rather the psychological causes changing the physical? what i mean to say is that scientists may claim that chemical imbalances such as serotonin and dopamine imbalance are causing the brain but could it be that the scientists are wrong? i mean, scientists are still men ofc, and they have been wrong in the past, i.e. the world being flat, bleeding people would cure their illness
but i'm going off in another direction again, what i'm trying to get at is the relation to physical and psychological properties of a person, for example, when you are angry, your body goes through a series of changes, #1 your blood pressure rises, #2 your heart rate increases, #3 adrenaline is pumping, #4 hunger is subsided, a whole slew of things that humans dont even know about yet
another thing is, chinese monks who have learned through the use of meditation to slow their heart rate down or even stop their heart rate, they can go through an inconsiderable amount of cold weather, hot weather (walking on hot coals), pain, feats of strength in a long peroid of time, the mind does have a huge influence on the body and how it reacts
so could it be that the depression (sadness) be causing the chemical imbalances instead of the chemical imbalances causing the depression?

and another thing that rubs me the wrong way is the use of medicine, like they need something else to be addicted to or use as an escape goat...
as previously mentioned before by jonnydangerouz, he did not like the use of medicine, instead of making him better it actually made him feel worse...
many of the drugs they use to treat psych patients do exactly that by altering their chemical balances
it's even been stated that some drugs (INCLUDING ANTI-DEPRESSANTS - drugs meant to cure depression) can increase the risk of suicidal ideation which is the end stage of depression
the drug companies are making huge amounts of money making these drugs, prescribed by "mental health doctors" who are also making huge amounts of money just to "cure" your "problems"

and yes even christians can get sick, christians shouldn't refuse medical treatment - it may very well be that God is using that medical treatment as his healing hand, God works in mysterious ways
but may i suggest that mental illnesses are not physical illnesses, a patient with cancer is not the same as a person with "alcholism"

and ofcourse someone with alcholism or schizophrenia or depression is gona reject that they're really not sick.. if you were using something as a scapegoat to your actions and thoughts would you confess it so easily?
do i get sad? yes, have i had some deep ass shit happen in my life? yes, am i checked into a mental instutition? no, i'm dealing with it

as for the issue with getting counseling, is it ok? i'd say to a degree it is, you should get help from someone, someone who does care, and someone who will try to do all in their power to help you
there is a matter of what that counsellor's or "doctor's" methods are, and as far as i've seen in the clinical setting, those psychiatrists only speak to their patients maybe 10-15 minutes a day at most and prescribe medications, i mean after all... if everyone is cured of their mental illness... would they have a job? ofc not... so do they care if you ever are cured?... prolly not
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