General revelation:
Existence
Nature
Christian fellowship

Specific revelation:
Scripture
Prayer life
Outcomes and rewards of works done by myself and others in God's name - pure joy

This post was edited by Diligence on Nov 1 2010 02:31am

I don't see how any of that qualifies as tangible, but i'm smart enough to know not to argue with someone who's so far gone -.-

Two words: Personal experience.

I can't believe I have to keep on saying that time and time and time again.

God will reveal Himself to anyone who genuinely seeks Him .

All these Atheists aren't GENUINELY seeking him are they?

What about nature is not tangible? Do you have an explanation for how the world was created? Where did those colliding molecules come from that "banged" together?

What about the Bible is not tangible?



God reveals himself to all.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened" (Romans 1:18-21).

This post was edited by Diligence on Nov 1 2010 07:54am

i find myself in the same boat many times. Feeling like there is no point to living really. Feeling like there is no point but to please others. Feeling like the world expects too much from me. Feeling like I don't owe anyone a single thing.

Well, It's not until I read from the Bible and pray that the perspective changes. Many times in the Bible, there are examples that speak of serving. I don't know if you understand that, the Christian faith or Jesus' ministry was to serve.

He didn't come to this earth to serve himself, to establish a kingdom for himself even though it was rightfully his to take. So, in essence, what i'm trying to tell you is that, The whole point of living on this earth is not for yourself, it's to serve others.

That's why it feels like you owe everyone something, it's because everyone who hasn't put things into persepective feel like you owe them something.

There's also that feeling of happiness when you know you've benefited someone else, I know you said you didn't want to be happy, but try it out. Even if that person doesn't appreciate or show appreciation for what you did, know that you good for that person, Don't ask anything in return or expect anything in return either. It's addicting

I don't know if that helps out at all, and i understand you're an athiest, and don't believe in God, but i urge you to talk to me or someone who can show you the plan of salvation.

oh snap. i really want to see widows response to this. tracking topic.

Here is the proper response .

I am saddened that someone who claims to be a believer would ignore the context of my response to the OP who is obviously lost and because of some prideful need to attempt to trump another Christian with an out of context citation misses an opportunity to be a good witness to the non-believers who show up on this forum .

I also find your reply to be very unChristian with the immature start of " oh snap " and your looking at this as some sort of contest .

You should be ashamed of trying to incite rancor on a forum that is meant for encouragement within the faith .

This post was edited by WidowMaKer_MK on Nov 2 2010 04:37am

Please explain it's context then. The fact that I am correcting you does not mean I am attempting to trump you out of pride. You said something that was not fully true, so I fixed it for you. I didn't offer any snide comments, like you, which should even lead you to the conclusion that I was acting in a prideful way. Moreover, I do recall you pulling the "I'm older than you so you have much to learn" card on me last time I corrected you. Do you still have some resentment from that...? Just because you are older and have had more time to read scripture does not mean your views of scripture are not skewed by your own pride, which you have clearly exhibited here.

And then you being a hypocrite is a completely different story. I am a bad witness to non-believers by spreading truth? But you are not a bad witness when you are the one actually bad-mouthing other believers by calling them prideful and ignorant in front of non-believers? If you are going to rebuke someone, do it out of love and in privacy. Or have you not read Matthew 18:15 in all your years of reading scripture? The difference here is that I was not rebuking you, but correcting what you said. You didn't even bother to correct what I said, but instead verbally attacked me.

This post was edited by Diligence on Nov 2 2010 09:00am