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Oct 27 2010 09:31pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Oct 27 2010 02:58pm)
Liar. God will not forgive blaspheming against the holy ghost.

Mark 3:28-29

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation

Matthew 12:31

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


Not true.

Matthew 12:31-32 is referencing Jesus performing miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit. Through these miracles, it is very clear that Jesus is the promised Messiah. In this passage, the Pharisees claimed that Jesus was empowered by a demon named Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24). They were connecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit's power to Hell, not heaven. Jesus was saying this was the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - it was unpardonable. They had rejected Him.

It appears that the situation of this unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit existed only while Christ was ministering on earth. The unpardonable sin, like the one in Matthew 12, cannot be committed today. We are not able to attribute to Satan the miracles of God, as performed by Jesus Christ.

http://www.allaboutgod.com/unpardonable-sin.htm
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Oct 27 2010 09:45pm
Quote (Diligence @ Oct 28 2010 03:31am)
Not true.

Matthew 12:31-32 is referencing Jesus performing miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit. Through these miracles, it is very clear that Jesus is the promised Messiah. In this passage, the Pharisees claimed that Jesus was empowered by a demon named Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24). They were connecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit's power to Hell, not heaven. Jesus was saying this was the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - it was unpardonable. They had rejected Him.

It appears that the situation of this unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit existed only while Christ was ministering on earth. The unpardonable sin, like the one in Matthew 12, cannot be committed today. We are not able to attribute to Satan the miracles of God, as performed by Jesus Christ.

http://www.allaboutgod.com/unpardonable-sin.htm


They have no biblical basis for such a belief. You don't even believe your own bible.
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Oct 27 2010 10:09pm
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They have no biblical basis for such a belief. You don't even believe your own bible.


Really? Because considering the context of scripture isn't a part of theology? I do believe the Bible, and I do not believe in any sin that can not be repented for. After all, the only time in any of the text of the whole Bible that talks about an unforgivable sin is this specific instance in the Gospels. It was for that very specific situation with Jesus.

Furthermore, I really don't understand why you troll this sub-forum. Considering you don't believe the bible is reason enough for you to not be posting here. After all, I've seen you state several times in PaRD that you aren't a Christian, but openly mock Christianity.
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Really? Because considering the context of scripture isn't a part of theology? I do believe the Bible, and I do not believe in any sin that can not be repented for. After all, the only time in any of the text of the whole Bible that talks about an unforgivable sin is this specific instance in the Gospels. It was for that very specific situation with Jesus.

Furthermore, I really don't understand why you troll this sub-forum. Considering you don't believe the bible is reason enough for you to not be posting here. After all, I've seen you state several times in PaRD that you aren't a Christian, but openly mock Christianity.


Yeah, you don't believe your own bible. I'm done with your false Christianity.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Oct 27 2010 10:13pm
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How can you 'take it with context' what he says about the unforgivable sin, but then not take into context what he say about heaven or hell?


Because Heaven and Hell are referenced in hundreds of other areas in the Bible?

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Yeah, you don't believe your own bible. I'm done with your false Christianity.


Do you not know what theology is? It's the study of the God and his word. There are hundreds of different interpretations of the Bible which equates to many different denominations. It's not that we don't believe in it - we just have varying beliefs in what the text means, who it was intended for, and so on.

The way you translate the Bible is that it is just a crock of crap. Because of that, and the fact that you don't even respect it in the least but attack it relentlessly, means you really have no right to argue about it. And I lol at you saying you're done with my false Christianity - you never even gave it a chance. If you actually knew God or anything about Christianity, you would know that Jesus died for all sins.

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18

It doesn't say that Christ died for sins once for all, EXCEPT for blaspheming, so that He...

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Well, depends, I was raised catholic and I can tell you, suicide is the worst sin and is straight to hell, you can not confess so yeah. But, I'm not catholic anymore, but I was just letting you know.


That's a man made view

Quote (Diligence @ 26 Oct 2010 14:24)
God only forgives you if you believe in him and have a relationship with him. Otherwise, it's like he doesn't even hear you. I would encourage you to find God first, because when you do, suicide isn't a viable option. I say this based upon your other thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD_8r84RuRA


It's a good thing God is already seeking people out before they "try to find Him"
It is awesome how God works
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Quote (Diligence @ 27 Oct 2010 20:31)
Not true.

Matthew 12:31-32 is referencing Jesus performing miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit. Through these miracles, it is very clear that Jesus is the promised Messiah. In this passage, the Pharisees claimed that Jesus was empowered by a demon named Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24). They were connecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit's power to Hell, not heaven. Jesus was saying this was the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - it was unpardonable. They had rejected Him.

It appears that the situation of this unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit existed only while Christ was ministering on earth. The unpardonable sin, like the one in Matthew 12, cannot be committed today. We are not able to attribute to Satan the miracles of God, as performed by Jesus Christ.

http://www.allaboutgod.com/unpardonable-sin.htm


lol dude you aren't making sense. OF COURSE people can commit that sin today ..... what are you thinking
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Oct 28 2010 05:58am
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lol dude you aren't making sense. OF COURSE people can commit that sin today ..... what are you thinking


People can blaspheme, but it is not unforgivable.
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The way I look at it, and it's not the right way to some Christians who follow the Bible completely, is very different.

I personally look at the entire universe and realize how insignificant we are. There are as many stars as there are grains of sand on all of the world's beaches.

To think that we can exist for ~75 years and do something that would condemn us for eternity seems irrational to me.

I've always felt religion was more for moral guidelines than it is for a definite, "do this or you'll burn in hell forever," thing.

I know I'll get someone who will quote this and completely disagree with me and tell me how wrong I am but just because I think differently doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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The way I look at it, and it's not the right way to some Christians who follow the Bible completely, is very different.

I personally look at the entire universe and realize how insignificant we are. There are as many stars as there are grains of sand on all of the world's beaches.

To think that we can exist for ~75 years and do something that would condemn us for eternity seems irrational to me.

I've always felt religion was more for moral guidelines than it is for a definite, "do this or you'll burn in hell forever," thing.

I know I'll get someone who will quote this and completely disagree with me and tell me how wrong I am but just because I think differently doesn't mean I'm wrong.


God doesn't see us as that insignificant. We are His best creation. I would go on .... but I don't know why I need to. You should know why people go to hell
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