NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today. No one.

God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33 as a tenth of crops and every tenth animal in herds and flocks. NOTHING ELSE. Then God gave His instructions (ordinances) in Numbers 18 where He commanded the tithe be taken to the Levites, forever. God never gave any pastor or the Christian Church permission to receive His tithe.

Anyone can give a tenth of their income to the church, which is a good thing, but it is no way has anything to do with the Biblical tithe.

During the second half of the 1800s church leaders started searching for ways to get more money donated to the church and decided to change God's definition and ordinances to fit their purposes.

God never commanded anyone to give a tenth of anything that man made or earned. The Biblical tithe came from crops and animals, ASSETS, that came directly from God's hand, not man's income. That is why it is Holy to the Lord - it came from God. Nothing you or I earn is Holy.

Any pastor who teaches and collects the tithe is either ignorant or a liar, and I personally know both types of pastors. My favorite pastor admitted to me that he knows the tithe ended at the cross, but he said he has to teach tithing, robbing God, etc. because people just don't give enough otherwise. What? No faith that God will take care of His church? He is no longer my favorite pastor. I let him know that I refuse to attend any services where the tithe is collected. I no longer believe this pastor any more than I believe a used-car salesman.

Pastors want YOU to put your trust in God that He will provide for your needs, but these same pastors lack enough faith to believe that God will provide for His church.

Pastors have a double standard. I have a right to keep my money and use it all for me, but I choose to be a generous giver. The pastor has a right to be paid for his services, but rather than give his services, he exercises that right to be paid.

i agree with this, and the fact that churches exploit people for money, but i still give. I'm 15, dont have a job, and what am i gonna spend money on?
My church doesnt get alot from tithes, and DOES trust God for its needs. They are a missions base, and do alot of outreaches.
One time they needed i think like 3000-4000 dollars to support a mission trip. 3 days before, they still needed 2000 i think. (somethign real high.)
It randomly got paid for.

I give my money due to the fact that i know its going to support something good, and not just random junk.
Im about to give an ipod away to someone at my church, cause id rather give it to someone who i know will use it for holiness, than get $20 for it and someone load it up
with cult music and todays idols that have infiltrated our ears.

I do believe that giving to a church is good -- but not required by means of God. and if you use God to get back from what you give..
you better repent, cause thats DISGUSTING!

**btw, i want this to be a friendly arguement, and just a point-exchanger, please do not call me out, and i wont call you out.. just some Bible mixed in with your own views
'constructive criticism' **

e/ will be back on tommorow morning or possibly later, but doubtful on later tonight.

This post was edited by Keasbey_Nights on Sep 12 2010 05:39pm

I most certainly agree with being a generous, sacrificial giver. Being Spirit led, I find myself giving far, far more than a mere tenth of my income. But I do know those who just can't afford to give anywhere near a tenth of their income.

Give 10%.

well it says in the bible you give and you will receive 30,60 or a 100 fold

so yes you very well can get 1000 out of 20

but im talking about tithing giving is different
and i didnt mean to make it sound like that

A lot of interesting points brought up, I really enjoyed them

If i do not have the money I will give him my prayers, thanks guys

thats talking about fruit you produce, not giving.

tithing produces fruit does it not?
as a matter of fact, it produces fruit in the giver as much as it does to the receiver

i did not read everything that was said, but i believe tithing is very important for a christian to continue to grow in Christ
all your money, all your wealth, all your clothes, your home, your cars, everything that you own, your very life all belongs to God anyways

to make a long story short, you should be giving 100% back to God but instead he only wants a portion
it doesnt have to be just 10% although that's what tithe means (a tenth)
it should be that you are giving to God

another more important issue with tithing is where the money actually goes, but if you trust that God will put that money in the right hands where it is needed you should not have to worry about that either
if you believe that your church does the work of the Lord and seeks to see souls saved then yes, give your tithes to it
if you see a poor beggar on the side of the road, it is ok to tithe with food and drink
if you know your pastor is hard at work keeping the church property clean and working in good order, it is a good idea to tithe with services and labor

the main thing is that God owns 100% of you already, why not give him a little something back

How is giving money to a church giving money to god?

Tithe is a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts, but I believe a lot of people have gotten it wrong. The point of the tithe is to do God's work, to help someone. Some people have the time and the means to go out into the world and help someone all on their own, and that's great. But some people do not have that luxury. What they can do, however, is give what they can to an organization, such as a church, which has a greater opportunity to help people. In other words, the tithe isn't about some sort of money raising scheme, some way to buy God's favor. It is a continuation of God's call that we love one another, and help one another.