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Sep 7 2010 02:24pm
Quote (Conviction @ Sep 6 2010 11:12pm)
this gift of tongues you speak of, do others understand you and do you do it on a regular basis?


yes i do , and no -- not unless they have the gift of interpretation (or the holy spirit has revealed it to them that can do it..)

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I once heard someone who believed she could talk in tongues on command. I must admit she sounded rather asanine, and I had trouble taking her seriously at all.

And to Keasbey, you still have not responded to my question of prayer affecting outcomes of events here on earth :)


First -- the veil was torn, so the Holy Spirit lives inside of us -- therefore yes, you can do it 'on command'

outcomes on Earth -- ive seen souls been saved through the burdens God puts on me. He'll put this weight on me it feels to pray and fast for someone, and ussually after a bit things WILL start shifting in their lives.
im not sure what you want me to answer specifically, give me an example.
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Quote (Keasbey_Nights @ Sep 7 2010 03:24pm)
yes i do , and no -- not unless they have the gift of interpretation (or the holy spirit has revealed it to them that can do it..)



First -- the veil was torn, so the Holy Spirit lives inside of us -- therefore yes, you can do it 'on command'

outcomes on Earth -- ive seen souls been saved through the burdens God puts on me. He'll put this weight on me it feels to pray and fast for someone, and ussually after a bit things WILL start shifting in their lives.
im not sure what you want me to answer specifically, give me an example.


Would you be willing to record a short video of yourself doing this? I am very curious.
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i believe that the predestined/knows whats gonna happen thing is wayyyyy too complicated for us to understand..

and yes prayer does make a difference.. if you make a decision to read a book about some sort of self help.. the result is that it will help you if its the right book

if you pray for something and believe that you will recieve what you have prayed for and thank him for it.. it will come to pass with faith and the works that must follow true faith.

i just think that topic is way too complicated for us to understand
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Sep 9 2010 05:03pm
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i believe that the predestined/knows whats gonna happen thing is wayyyyy too complicated for us to understand..

and yes prayer does make a difference.. if you make a decision to read a book about some sort of self help.. the result is that it will help you if its the right book

if you pray for something and believe that you will recieve what you have prayed for and thank him for it.. it will come to pass with faith and the works that must follow true faith.

i just think that topic is way too complicated for us to understand


So we shouldn't try to understand?
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Sep 9 2010 05:08pm
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So we shouldn't try to understand?


thats what i say.. i dont try. its way beyond us
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Sep 9 2010 07:18pm
Peer reviewed studies have proven prayer to be ineffectual.
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Peer reviewed studies have proven prayer to be ineffectual.


a scientific study on prayer ROFL

the dumbest thing ever
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Sep 9 2010 09:40pm
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a scientific study on prayer ROFL

the dumbest thing ever


I disagree. There was a study backed by the Templeton foundation that observed what happened to different patients recovering from a coronary bypass surgery, that were prayed for and not prayed for( 1,802 patients). The people praying of course were from three different churches in Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Missouri. Of the two groups of patients (neither of which knew they were being prayed for), there was no difference between those that were prayed for, and those that were not.

Interestingly, those that KNEW they were being prayed for "suffered significantly more complications than those who did not."
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Quote (Legacy_Tangent @ Sep 9 2010 11:40pm)
I disagree. There was a study backed by the Templeton foundation that observed what happened to different patients recovering from a coronary bypass surgery, that were prayed for and not prayed for( 1,802 patients). The people praying of course were from three different churches in Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Missouri. Of the two groups of patients (neither of which knew they were being prayed for), there was no difference between those that were prayed for, and those that were not.

Interestingly, those that KNEW they were being prayed for "suffered significantly more complications than those who did not."


first off, to do a test like that would mean God himself is on trial... I remember in one passage in the bible when Jesus was in the wilderness being tempted by Satan, Jesus said, "do not tempt the Lord thy God"
this "test" or "temptation" is wrong and shouldn't be performed, it is like God being judged by humans when we know right off the bat there is no judge that is more loving and has more justice

secondly, we are not god, so we cant take a single result as the final answer, i'll give you a testimony of my mother who died of cancer 6 years ago
she had been a testimony to many people, she had many friends both saved and unsaved, and she had been struggling with cancer for a few years prior to her death
she died the same year that i was going to go to college and at the time i didn't know what i wanted to do or "major" in
i guess you can say that her death involved me desiring to become a doctor and help those that have cancer, because of that, God's ultimate will might be to answer another individual's prayer that has not even been spoken yet because i someday helped that person's family member or friend be able to recover from cancer
God knows what he is doing even if he says no your prayers, i wasn't the only person affected by my mother's death, countless friends of hers who were unbelievers couldn't understand why our family could have such perfect peace at the day of her funeral so they asked us, we relayed them to the pastor after talking with them for a little, because of this, many of my mother's friends accepted christ as their saviour
my mother would be proud as she looks down on heaven on what her life AND DEATH have accomplished here on earth

thirdly, there is a huge inconsistency with "knowing they are being prayed for", there is a huge variety of "Christians" out there, i'm not going to go into too much detail but there are many hypocrites that do not truly know Christ as their personal saviour
for example, if you asked me if i was a 6'6 200 lbs of pure muscle and i told you through here on the internet that i was, would you believe me? maybe maybe not, you can't tell if someone is what they say they are over the internet just like you can't tell if someone is truly saved or not, only God can know if they are or not, now i know you can take a picture and post it on the internet to prove it is really me but that was a bad analogy but i hope you get my point that people can say they are christians but not truly
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Sep 10 2010 12:05pm
Quote (Legacy_Tangent @ Sep 9 2010 11:40pm)
I disagree. There was a study backed by the Templeton foundation that observed what happened to different patients recovering from a coronary bypass surgery, that were prayed for and not prayed for( 1,802 patients). The people praying of course were from three different churches in Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Missouri. Of the two groups of patients (neither of which knew they were being prayed for), there was no difference between those that were prayed for, and those that were not.

Interestingly, those that KNEW they were being prayed for "suffered significantly more complications than those who did not."


or maybe God didnt do anything because he KNEW they were testing him and God doesnt approve of that. so he just didnt participate

but prayer has an effect on things for else God wouldnt tell us to do it
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