Long story man. Do the research yourself, and you will be more understanding. It's good stuff really. And, it's not all hokus pokus like non-believers think.

ok, so from the christian doctrine, people who don't believe Jesus at his savior even if they good people in life using good valors and principes will be seperated from god after the existance. I have difficulties to balance this in my mind. So, if you're a non-believer, just become a bad person and use vices and bad side of the life to your own interest because anyway you will die and burn eternally. I think it's bringing people to believe in this doctrine because of the fear of being in hell eternally. I prefer personnally let's the doors of the possibles opened, open minded and can progressively become a better person each day.

i personally don't see it as a fear of being in hell it's just that i want a relationship with Jesus who died for me and took away my sins

we were made to have a relationship with God, if we don't do that in our lifetime then why should we get to be with him after we die?

plus as a Christian, I DO fear God and the fact of hell. its scary stuff, it should not be the sole reason for Christians to believe in Jesus but it shouldn't be ignored

If you take it that way, donate!

Christ says that he is the way, the truth and the life and nobody comes through the father but through him. Our sins were paid for on the cross. Christ lived a perfect life, and died a sinners death for us. He took our sins on his shoulders, and paid a debt that we could never pay. How could we expect to experience something as great as heaven if we deny that? it's true that God is a loving, merciful God, however he is also just.
Yes, i believe that there is one, true God and that there is one true word of God. Not to down play other beliefs, but Jesus Christ is the only way. There is one true, living God.

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I don't call myself a Christian anymore only because i believe that no religion is right ... religion is a manmade system of worshiping God ... i do not discredit "christians" they have the right intensions and many have a true relationship with God... i look at what people say and how they act and you can tell when someone has a relationship with the creator based on the Word of God and a decernment of Gods spirit in me...who can say what the word of God is ... i will address this in a bit ... all who are a follower of Jesus are called by him to be a witness of him to the world

The basis of my faith and relationship with the invisible God aka Yahweh YHVH or the visible Jesus aka hebrew name Yeshua or Yahshua (transliteration of course):

#1 History

Few deny there was a man that walked the earth named Jesus of Nazareth son of Joseph a carpenter and Mary his wife ... Historians have written of his life and the times (1st century of our current calander)and other historical figures of the day a non_christian historian of the day Josephus well documented his existance but there were many others ... his life and death a public execution was a fact that most do not deny ... however most say he was just a man and not divine or God ...even muslims recognize him as a prophet or a good teacher... I have spoken to budists and hindus who even speack of him in a good manner one even said we believe he was GOD ....Many documentations by historians speak of his miracles and signs of greatness ...healings ... raising people from the dead ...casting out demons ...turning water to wine ...stopping a raging storm ... predicting things that came true... etc... i am not talking about what the bible says but what historians of those times have documented ... the bible also lines up with many of these accounts ... So i dont have a hard time believing there was such a man ... on top of this it can well be said that there may be no person in history that has made an impact on the world as him and that whose name is recognized more than any other this is a person that lived 2000 years ago !!! And here we are in a game forum talking about him today...WHY??? ...because masses of people have been duped into believeing this mass histeria hype and because we want to beleive in something or anything... or because when these people start to investigate this man they find something more than a man ... because people who have had their life changed by HIM have carried his name and legacy around with them for 2000 years !! I believe that a man named Yeshua of Nazareth lived on this earth and died on a cross executed by romans during their occupation of the land of Israel

#2 Gods word

Now most people in the western world would say the BIBLE eastern world the koran or other writtings ...for the sake of my statements above about Jesus and my personal seach about him leads me to the bible because his life was told about there and i beleive that he and what he did and what he even would say was well documented hundreds and thousands of years before he was born ... even from the creation of this world

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.

i believe that the miracles that Jesus did in them selves did not prove that he was God or the savior of man as many people in the bible did miracles as well as Satan himself as we see him call fire down from heaven and command a storm when testing Job ... some people even today seem to do things that are deemed miracles ... so what makes makes me believe he is and was God? ... For years before Jesus was born on this earth he was written about what he would do what he would say not by just one man or prophet but by just about evey book in the bible has some type of allusion or direct prediction about Jesus ... people might say well Jesus studied the scriptures and set it up so people would believe this ...well how do you make roman soldiers do what you want them to do while nailed to a wooden killing device? check out psalms 22
14I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Crucifiction made the bones pop out of there sockets .... hands and feet pierced ... the roman soldiers cast lots at his feet on the cross for his cloths ... this stuff is documented by several sources!!


and zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

When Mosses came to Eygpt to free the Hebrews from slavery and lead them to the promised land ... the night before they were freed from bondage ... the were to endure one final plague ... death of the first born of all that live in eygpt ... God told Mosses to tell the people to kill a unblemished lamb and take its blood and smear it over the doorway of your house and when the death angel came over the blood would keep the firstborn in that house safe and would not be killed ... Jesus is called the Lamb of God in the bible several times times ... God commanded the Jews to keep this as a tradition forever as a rememinder of what was to come ... it was called the Passover ... do you know what day that Jesus was killed on? Passover !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They keep this date at the same time for hundreds of years !!! God told Mosses what day to keep it on !!!

THere are tons more of these way way to many to happen by accident... i could go on for hours

Is the whole bible inspired by God? i dont know!! some would say this is heresy i am only being honest .... my studies reveal lots of errors in the origanal texts not to mention tons of translational mistakes
however i do believe most if not all is inspired by God ... not to mention that i beleive God can use any thing to get his point accrows to us ... he used a mule to speak to a prophet Numbers 22:28... he can use people to xfer his message or animals or anything if he wishes but my belief that Jesus was God makes me focus on what Jesus said and he quoted out of much of the old testiment ofc because the new testiment wasnt written yet... so this makes clear that he considered old testiment scripture ... beyond this the Torah or the first five books of the bible have been kept in such a manner that keeps them as error free as can ever be ... the system that was used by scribes through out the centuries is tedious and time consuming requiring counting of letter every few letters with jots and tiddles (marks) on the pages to insure accuracy ... the first five books are direct accounting to Mosses directly from God on Mount Sinai in what is now Saudi Arabia in the desert also refered to as Mt Hebron

One last note on this i dont think that the bible is the most published book in history for no reason and second most is not even close .... ask your self this if God wanted to comunicate to people would he not make it appearently easy to do so??



#3 Personal interaction

i will keep this short Jesus is God and i know that God has communicated though his word first and thourgh other sources and finally directly to me ... he has made himself real to me ... as he has for many ... if he has not done this for you yet you can not know what i am talking about ... it may seem like lunacy to you ... but its real to me and to many others .... nothing in this life or the next is worth missing out on having a relationship with our creator ... not your intellect not your pride not you hate not your traditions not your long standing beliefs not your wife not your kids not your addictions not your friends not anything .... if you have not talked to the creator or dont know him its easy... all you must do is ask him to help you know him ... say it out load in a quiet place and open you bible and start reading asking HIM to help you understand ... if you truly wish to have a relationship with him the dorr is always open


And yes Jesus was a Jew and he said salvation is of the Jews ... and his word says he who hates Israel will be cursed ...

ONE LAST DISCLAMIER

Do not trust a word me or any other person tells you about God chech it out for youself read the bible and let God show you the truth ... he will !!!

May God bless you all

This post was edited by MastersX on Aug 12 2010 03:21pm