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Aug 20 2010 05:01pm
not do get off topic, but thinking about persons who decide that they are going to get into heaven, makes me sick. God will decide wether you go to hell or heaven, not you. And you will not decide where your son goes either. This is just wrong.
If you have faith in god, you should have faith that heaven will be a good place for everyone and that god will make that possible for you.
But you should not do the failure and try to decide who is doomed and who not.
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Aug 20 2010 07:55pm
Quote (Hooo @ Aug 21 2010 09:01am)
not do get off topic, but thinking about persons who decide that they are going to get into heaven, makes me sick. God will decide wether you go to hell or heaven, not you. And you will not decide where your son goes either. This is just wrong.
If you have faith in god, you should have faith that heaven will be a good place for everyone and that god will make that possible for you.
But you should not do the failure and try to decide who is doomed and who not.


This. I have been told that YOU AND ONLY YOU are the one who knows whether they are going to heaven or hell.

You do NOT know anybody else like they know themselves. You only see what they are on the outside and not when they are alone and being completely honest.
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Aug 21 2010 09:55am
Quote (Hooo @ Aug 20 2010 06:01pm)
not do get off topic, but thinking about persons who decide that they are going to get into heaven, makes me sick. God will decide wether you go to hell or heaven, not you. And you will not decide where your son goes either. This is just wrong.
If you have faith in god, you should have faith that heaven will be a good place for everyone and that god will make that possible for you.
But you should not do the failure and try to decide who is doomed and who not.


not to go against what you said, because it does have some truth to it, but God is not the one who decides if you go to Heaven or Hell.

you make the choice to accept Jesus

you make the choice to Repent of your sins

you make the choice to be baptised

you make the choice weather or not to continue in your sinful nature.

it is, ultimately, your choice weather you go to Heaven or not, that was, after all, the entire purpose of Jesus comming to earth, was to give man the ability to choose.
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Aug 21 2010 06:14pm
Quote (Lucius @ 20 Aug 2010 04:13)
Once in the presence of Jesus you will be so taken in by his love and greatness, I doubt you will be sad


So in heaven everyone will be happy all the time?
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Quote (reanimateddead @ Aug 5 2010 07:34pm)
If i go to heaven, and lets say my son goes to hell

How can i ever be happy in heaven if i know my son will be tortured forever?


If your son goes to hell who cares?

If my son or cat or mom or grandma or sister or grandpa or siblings go to hell Do I care? not really, all I care about is me and jesus, because in the end that is what really is what is going to matter, nothing phsyical can give us joy on earth, all your relationships and friends have nothing to do with nothing, when your time comes when you get really really nervous on your death bed, you will see light or dark, depends if you accepted him or not, some people see dark and get scared and try to repent at the end (asking doctors about bringing in a pastor to convert them) etc, i've been there, noticing them cry and weep for help at the end of there lifes. The one's who see light will die peacefully and happily.

Have u ever heard of "They'll go on and live happily ever after/etc", well when you die and have jesus in your heart, it's actually true!


my grammar sucks, im tired i am going to sleep, sorry about all those errors just wanted to throw my 2cents out there r/quick :rolleyes:

So to answer your question, I think you need to be more worried about yourself more then others, lol! especially in a spiritually point of view!

This post was edited by Mouthwash on Aug 22 2010 07:36am
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Aug 23 2010 05:28am
heaven is like an eternal high on cocain?
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Aug 29 2010 11:18pm
Well, i think you dont have that thought i don't think you have any thought. How can you think and be blissfull. you truly need to be ignorant to be in bliss. so you won't even know you had a son.
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Aug 30 2010 07:58am
I have pondered this so many times, and it is an epic flaw in the fabric of christian logic.
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Sep 5 2010 11:15am
wow i was jus reading about this, i think revelation 10:9-10 will shed some light on this topic

it says,
and i went to the angel and said unto him, give me the little book. and he said unto me, take it and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey
and i took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it up and it was in my mouth sweet as honey and as soon as i had eaten it my belly was bitter

from what i've read in many bible studies is taht the little book signifies the law and judgment of God
the person who is in this passage is John and he speaking to the angel
the angel gives him God's judgment and tells him to eat it, this means to absorb it or understand it, God's law and judgment are sweet in his mouth
for a believer, god's judgment is perfect and just, he tastes this goodness about the Lord
but when the judgment of the lord reaches his belly, meaning his deeper understanding of the full repercussions of the judgment, it was awful
because the judgment of the lord meant destruction and death to all unbelievers

God does not want anyone to go to hell, it's the person's choice, much like if you loved someone, you wouldn't want to control it would you? or else that is not love, because of this God gave man a free will
if he made you to always love him then how would he know it's not his power that is causing you to love him

anyways, i personally believe that if you're on your way to heaven, God will be the main focus of your eternal life
this means that God will fill all that emptiness in your heart forever and ever
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Sep 5 2010 02:04pm
Quote (reanimateddead @ Aug 5 2010 10:34pm)
If i go to heaven, and lets say my son goes to hell

How can i ever be happy in heaven if i know my son will be tortured forever?


and these are the questions of complication that we all reach, such a hard one to answer... and im not a theologist or a priest... i suggest walking into a church and asking...


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Quote (Conviction @ Sep 5 2010 01:15pm)
wow i was jus reading about this, i think revelation 10:9-10 will shed some light on this topic

it says,
and i went to the angel and said unto him, give me the little book. and he said unto me, take it and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey
and i took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it up and it was in my mouth sweet as honey and as soon as i had eaten it my belly was bitter

from what i've read in many bible studies is taht the little book signifies the law and judgment of God
the person who is in this passage is John and he speaking to the angel
the angel gives him God's judgment and tells him to eat it, this means to absorb it or understand it, God's law and judgment are sweet in his mouth
for a believer, god's judgment is perfect and just, he tastes this goodness about the Lord
but when the judgment of the lord reaches his belly, meaning his deeper understanding of the full repercussions of the judgment, it was awful
because the judgment of the lord meant destruction and death to all unbelievers

God does not want anyone to go to hell, it's the person's choice, much like if you loved someone, you wouldn't want to control it would you? or else that is not love, because of this God gave man a free will
if he made you to always love him then how would he know it's not his power that is causing you to love him

anyways, i personally believe that if you're on your way to heaven, God will be the main focus of your eternal life
this means that God will fill all that emptiness in your heart forever and ever


this being a very steady and sound answer, It may not be something you will fully understand until in the situation, or have a full understanding and love for God.

This post was edited by thepeacemakerz on Sep 5 2010 02:06pm
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