First of all. If you open a topic, trying to convince people with a video, you should not take faith for granted...
Thats a Paradoxon.

2nd.

Begins with. "If the Bible was just a book then it wouldnt have the impact on us it has, because its just a book"
Flaw in logic: 1. Right the bible isnt just any book, its a well written and well known book. It has been advertised for over 1000 Years and has been translated from latin just a few years back.

Books can moove people and they do. They have an impact on peoples Lifes and sometimes a very grate one without being advertised for over 1000 years and having fellowers all over the world, other books still manage the same thing (with less people ofc).
Less people, because less people read/know them.


I do not want to criticize christianity or anything else, but on a logical level and as the ultimate convicer, the part from the video i watched, fails.

Well this video was not meant for people who have no intrest in believing, so i am not trying to convince nonbelievers i also do not see how i am taking faith for granted

I do not see your point for the "flaw in logic", either way tho give me an example of other books that have the same influence with less people knowing and reading them

also, you didnt even watch the full video so you are basing your infromation on maybe 1/10 of the video

This post was edited by CTS77 on Aug 4 2010 11:21am

There you state (also in the topic) this video was for people, having problems in believing (which actually it is about)

this is where u say that the user above has no faith and thus cannot appreciate the value of the movie, which is basically circle logic and not an argument.

An example is "Frogs into Princes" by R. Bandler
The "kamasutra", the Koran.
Philosophical writings by Sokrates and others did have a huge empact also in their time until today.
E. Kants writings...

Books can have an impact on your life and the Bible is a very good example of it, but its certainly not the only example.

True. I did until today not watch the full movie, but you asked about our oppinion and i gave mine, which does not have to be true at all.

Can you honestly say those writings guide peoples' lives?

And about the part where you said "the user above has no faith and thus cannot appreciate the value of the movie", I was incinuating that if you are skeptic and have no intention to believe the bible this video will do no good

This post was edited by CTS77 on Aug 6 2010 02:27am

does it changing anything about my commentary? It was a simple and i think an interesting question to reveal to me if this cult is an alienation or if this person simply manipulating people for his own personal greed. So i repeat it.

i watched it, did that person who was preaching is payed well? Because it seem to be a good seller wanting hardly to convince people to stay at this cult.

Why do you believe it is a cult? because a mass of people congregating under a certain faith they have no doubt to be true/right? if so then every faith, group, political party, and anything else asocciated with a group of people is a cult.

And why would a "cult" give so much back to the community/world?

Sorry if this word could have shocked you, wasn't my goal. Wherever how you're calling your practising in this assembly, you didn't asnwered my question at all.

Probably that you don't even know how much this person is paid each month at all. You should inquire more about the financial aspect of the gestion of your community. I know that your offering is anonymus, but i personnaly thing that this no lucratif organization should show proof of transparency.

Ps. Im not attacking at all the faith you can have. I'm just communicate a feeling i got when i watched the entire movie.

And what if I were to tell you that his salary did not change by the amount of people that walked through the doors/donated?

what would be his motive then be?

I believe that Jesus is my savior and i know my pastor believes that also. If a christians life has been great since they became a believer why would they not want to share the Word?

What you find greedy, I find a selfless person trying to get someone they dont even know into eturnal heaven

That to me is the essence of this video

I just think that people should know about the remuneration of the autority of the church in particular. I'm not removing the joy you have to have accepted jesus as the savior man. I just think that abuse can happend in every group of people that have hiden financial gestion and remuneration system, that's all.

So this video makes believers believe?