You can't stand your opinion being challenged?

This would be like posting whether or not God exists on an Atheist forum.

I'm not looking for analysis by atheists. I am looking for analysis by fellow Christians. Obviously, my theology on this subject is not crystal clear yet. And based upon what you quoted, I think I made it very clear what I meant. PaRD is filled with 85% spam. I take it you don't visit there often?

I wasn't suggesting an analysis by atheists. I'm merely implying that you are preaching to the choir. I would of presumed the Christian stance on abortion was fairly obvious.

I've never really been to PaRD. What's it like?

This post was edited by lithfkn on Apr 25 2010 02:11am

How often do you see a conservative Christian not consider limiting peoples rights in regards to abortion? I consider this a relatively different view on the issue.. That is why I only want Christian input. If the theology and scripture isn't accurate, then I can't take the next step and actually use it as an argument.

PaRD is overrun with misinformed and uneducated people who couldn't hold a real conversation if one was ever brought to them. Of course there are some who use the forum properly, but I don't want to have to wade through the crap to get to them.

This post was edited by ihavethesniffles on Apr 25 2010 02:21am

man this is a strong arguement goin on both sides. but really i believe that babies do have the right to live and i do disagree with abortions because i believe that your destroyin something that is pure and hasnt been expose to a corrupted world. but in the other hand "ihavethesniffles" made a good point how we are born with free will. so all i can say is this to both sides of the arguement, when judgement day comes we will all be standin side by side because no one is perfect out there those who can learn to forgive themselves for there sins and atone for there actions alone will be the one in heaven with our lord.

The definition that the bible gives us of LIFE is three fold:
plant life (body)
breath life (soul)
spirit life (spirit)

In the beginning, the first man (Adam) was formed (physical life), made (soul life), and created (spirit life).
Adam and Eve sinned and lost their spirit life, until the Christ earned it back for us.
Until someone is born again, they are a two-fold (incomplete) human being.
Animals have body and soul, they have breath life.
Plants do not have soul nor spirit, they are merely physically alive.

You decide.

IMO: breath = life. but you are not truly alive until you receive the gift of holy spirit and become complete.

I'm not sure that animals have souls, because if one has a soul one is subject to God's judgement, rendering them viable for Heaven. But, this cannot be so because animals were not created in God's image. I'm sure you have already, but take a look at Genesis 1:26.

where does the bible say that one? i sure haven't seen support for that statement.
look up the greek and hebrew words for life / soul / spirit.
they are always congruent with their subjects.
a soul isn't quite as a fanciful thing as us americans have made it out to be.

The only way one can get into Heaven is through God's grace, which is extended to us through faith and acceptance into our hearts. Further, we must repent of our sins. Animals, first and foremost, have not accepted God into their hearts, nor do they have the ability to repent for their sins. This is because the soul is the spiritual part of who we are. Are animals spiritual?

"The only way one can get into Heaven is through God's grace, which is extended to us through faith and acceptance into our hearts. Further, we must repent of our sins. Animals, first and foremost, have not accepted God into their hearts, nor do they have the ability to repent for their sins."

Oh of course sir



"This is because the soul is the spiritual part of who we are."

Now this good sir, is a false statement. Soul is the hebrew word that sounds like "nephish kai" it means "moving air" or "living wind," quite literally BREATH LIFE. Spirit is the greek word "pneuma" which is usually coupled with the word "hagion" which means holy (holy spirit). These are two completely different words and concepts and should not be confused. The potential to receive spirit is was makes humans superior to the animals. God set Adam above the animals when Adam still had a perfect spiritual connection with God, when he lost that, he became a senses or fleshly creature, like animals, but he certainly still had his soul.



"Are animals spiritual?"

Of course not sir

This post was edited by ejbot on Apr 26 2010 03:14am