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Mar 19 2010 12:43am
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Mar 19 2010 12:56am
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#13
Mar 19 2010 07:53am
Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 17 2010 12:28pm)
My defining moment in life IN RELATION TO GOD dates back to 2 years ago. I was at a crossroads of does he really exist? As well as is he listening? etc.

I was at a leadership camp and part of the camp for stage 2 is to go out in the bush for 4 days and 3 nights...SOLO! The thing was that everybody was about 100m away from eachother but there was a road and across the road the others were only 50m away from us but this was a place where we weren't going to be traveling.

Anyway I got lost within the first 5 minutes of getting dropped off and somehow managed to end up 60m inwards in the forest. I was trudging around for about 15 minutes and I hadn't a single clue where I was. I knew that there was a pathway leading inwards by the side somewhere before I got lost.

In the end I decided to pray to the Lord and turn to him for guidance (Nobody else was around so what was there to be embarrassed about?) then I went in a RANDOM direction which lead me to a pathway, I followed upwards and then I found my luggage. At that point I was found and therefore saved. From then on I've realised that God DOES listen and DOES care for us. Prayer DOES work and I DO consider it a miracle.

15 minutes of nothingness, only getting more lost. A single prayer and INSTANTLY after that I went in a direction and I found my way back. Things like that I don't consider it luck or a coincidence. I DO consider that it was God.

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I do have a story like that, that happened much earlier but that implies my other defining moment in life and I dare not share THAT one.


I don't mean to be rude. I don't have faith in Christianity, but I am intrigued by religion. I don't deny a possibility of God existing, but at this point in my life I do not believe in one. I support those who have a legitimate faith in God, though I am not supportive of church as an institute of religion. Coming from a Finnish background I do not see how sitting for an hour or two listening to an old man speak monotonously would bring anyone closer to God. I believe religion is supposed to be something entirely personal, of course gathering with fellow religious individuals can then be enjoyable.

So having stated my views, and clarified that I am not attempting to be provocative, I want to address a question about the quoted post
You said you were left into a forest 100m and 50m away from different people, and had to survive for 4 days alone. Then you got lost 60m into the forest. I am not sure how you could have been so alarmed with people potentially 50m away from you. Also, you got lost in the first 5 minutes and after 15 minutes of walking around you saw nobody? Why would you resort to religious prayer in being lost for 15 minutes with people 50m away from you? Suppose God did answer your prayer to save you from 15 minutes of being lost - why, then would he not answer the prayers of people with lost families, lost homes, diseases, people starving to death, who loyally retain their faith in God?

No need to get aggressive here with replies, I am legitimately curious in responses and opinions.
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Mar 19 2010 09:05am
Quote (tatti @ Mar 19 2010 11:53pm)
I don't mean to be rude. I don't have faith in Christianity, but I am intrigued by religion. I don't deny a possibility of God existing, but at this point in my life I do not believe in one. I support those who have a legitimate faith in God, though I am not supportive of church as an institute of religion. Coming from a Finnish background I do not see how sitting for an hour or two listening to an old man speak monotonously would bring anyone closer to God. I believe religion is supposed to be something entirely personal, of course gathering with fellow religious individuals can then be enjoyable.

So having stated my views, and clarified that I am not attempting to be provocative, I want to address a question about the quoted post
You said you were left into a forest 100m and 50m away from different people, and had to survive for 4 days alone. Then you got lost 60m into the forest. I am not sure how you could have been so alarmed with people potentially 50m away from you. Also, you got lost in the first 5 minutes and after 15 minutes of walking around you saw nobody? Why would you resort to religious prayer in being lost for 15 minutes with people 50m away from you? Suppose God did answer your prayer to save you from 15 minutes of being lost - why, then would he not answer the prayers of people with lost families, lost homes, diseases, people starving to death, who loyally retain their faith in God?

No need to get aggressive here with replies, I am legitimately curious in responses and opinions.


Hmmm, you seem to be very specific on who the teachers are by describing them to be OLD.

Well with regards to the forest the entire concept was called SOLO! Which means that we were not ALLOWED to see eachother as that would ruin the entire point of the leadership part in the first place. Yes we were given a whistle and yes I was tempted to blow it but it would have sounded very silly if you heard a whistle blowing within the first 5 minutes of starting your SOLO.

Yes that is right I saw nobody... ok I'll need to give you a visual and I'll do my best.

100m----------------50m--------------ME-----------------50m------------------100m---3
--------------------------road-------------------------------------
--------------4---50m---------------------------------5--------------------------


Basically the road is separating us from seeing other Solo members. On the same side the other Solo members are 100m away from you. Yes we are surrounded by thick bushland so that makes it very hard to see other members unless you purposefully travel that far.

The thing I did however is this...

ME---------------------------------------50m
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60m

Now wandering around that area and I am nowhere near my appointed campsite (Oh by the way we are restricted as to how much we can move, we are like in an appointed area and are not meant to move from it) so yes I was lost. 15 minutes of wandering around and I had no idea where I was. Since there was nobody around I thought "Why not Pray to the Lord since nobody is watching and I got nothing to lose?" It worked instantly.

So DON'T try to say that it was a coincidence or luck. I do consider it an act of God and I saw that as my, how do I put it? Initiative into my faith into Solo?
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#15
Mar 19 2010 09:25am
Personally I dont really See Christianity as a religion. It never felt that way to me .

Its more like a relationship with God, like having a very close friendship with someone that you trust and that you can rely on during troubled times . To answer any question that anyone would have about going to church
listening to someone preach for 2 to 3 hours.

Their preaching might not actually bring you closer to God in anyway depending on the message that day when it is being read.

Alot of times when you go church in a Sunday morning and listen to a pastor speak , it doesnt really make any sense if the message wasn't directed to your needs at the very moment.

Please be aware that preachers and pastors giving messages in churches and it might not neccesarily bring you closer to God at times . Sometimes they are merely there as a vassal to remind you certain important things in life that God wants you to know.

However , your daily prayers , your daily Quiet time. Your time spend in the secular world experiencing different situations , trials and tribulations and your prayer to God and your reference to the bible through quiet time in times of trouble . That will brings you closer to God. I hope you can see what I am trying to say here .

God Bless

Hamsterbaby

Also when you do solo worship at home or in a fellowship, those little things do bring you close to God :)

<3


PS: Also please remember that dont just go to him when you are having trouble.

You should also celebrate with him when you receive blessings from him in life :P

dont be a Fair Weather friend :P

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 19 2010 09:30am
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Mar 19 2010 09:28am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 20 2010 01:25am)
Personally I dont realyl See Christianity as a religion. It never felt that way to me .

Its more like a relationship with God, like having a very close friendship with someone that you trust and that you can rely on during troubled times . To answer any question that anyone would have about going to church
listening to someone preach for 2 to 3 hours.

Their preaching might not actually bring you closer to God in anyway depending on the message that day when it is being read.

Alot of times when you go church in a Sunday morning and listen to a pastor speak , it doesnt really make any sense if the message wasn't directed to your needs at the very moment.

Please be aware that preachers and pastors giving messages in churches do not bring you closer to God. They are merely there as a vassal to remind you certain important things in life that God wants you to know.

However , your daily prayers , your daily Quiet time. Your time spend in the secular world experiencing different situations , trials and tribulations and your prayer to God and your reference to the bible through quiet time.

That Brings you closer to God. I hope you can see what I am trying to say here .

God Bless

Hamsterbaby

Also when you do solo worship at home or in a fellowship, those little things do bring you close to God :)

<3


I know you tried your best but I saw one single flaw in that paragraph.

We don't just rely on God and turn to God ONLY WHEN we are having troubled times. We usually turn to him when times are going well and neutral as well as times going tough. We don't see God as a backstop or an extra helping hand that we only ask for when we need it. Even if we feel as though we don't need help we still turn to God for help.
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#17
Mar 19 2010 09:30am
Quote (CPK001 @ 19 Mar 2010 23:28)
I know you tried your best but I saw one single flaw in that paragraph.

We don't just rely on God and turn to God ONLY WHEN we are having troubled times. We usually turn to him when times are going well and neutral as well as times going tough. We don't see God as a backstop or an extra helping hand that we only ask for when we need it. Even if we feel as though we don't need help we still turn to God for help.


Oh I just edited :P i almost forget to put that on :p My bad :P Sometimes things run too fast in my head and i just blah blah blah non stop .

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 19 2010 09:32am
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Mar 19 2010 04:23pm
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#19
Mar 19 2010 08:42pm
100 fg to the person who gives me a legitimate argument to start believing.
I do not believe, i however do not feel hate for religion.
I challenge you to turn me over :)
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#20
Mar 19 2010 08:54pm
Quote (ayud @ 20 Mar 2010 10:42)
100 fg to the person who gives me a legitimate argument to start believing.
I do not believe, i however do not feel hate for religion.
I challenge you to turn me over :)


:) there isn't a need to make you believe :)

No one can make you believe . All you need is someone to show you in life that this the lord is worth beliving :)

There is no such thing as legitimate argument. If someone actually needs to argue and force feed christian lifestyle into your life :) they probably fail in spreading the word to you .

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