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Mar 16 2010 11:23pm
Quote (Blind[zF] @ Mar 17 2010 01:16am)
Just because I felt / feel the same way, doesn't mean it prevents me of trusting what God tells us to do. It took me a while to get into that mentality of although I don't trust that person, its still something I should be doing.

As for the forum gold, that is completely different. Though I have been known to donate to people randomly.


Not completly different, you a trusting a complete stranger on their word. And unfortunately 95% of the time people will not use it on what they said it was for.
There are full time beggers (hate to use that term but thats the term the article I am looking at says) that can make 30-40K a year. Now figure thats a lot. So well even cut that in half, 15-20k a year. Your telling me that on 15-20k there are no appartments available? Or is it just the money that they keep gets use miscorrectly (drugs, drinking, cigs)
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Not completly different, you a trusting a complete stranger on their word. And unfortunately 95% of the time people will not use it on what they said it was for.
There are full time beggers (hate to use that term but thats the term the article I am looking at says) that can make 30-40K a year. Now figure thats a lot. So well even cut that in half, 15-20k a year. Your telling me that on 15-20k there are no appartments available? Or is it just the money that they keep gets use miscorrectly (drugs, drinking, cigs)


it is different though. Giving someone fg on jsp does not help them with their real life problems, whereas giving someone money could.
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Quote (DoomOnYou @ Mar 17 2010 01:25am)
it is different though. Giving someone fg on jsp does not help them with their real life problems, whereas giving someone money could.


Its not as different as you would think it is, its still helping them financially with their problems in a virtual game. If people are willing to steal your fake money, how can you possibly think that people will not steal your real money.
I know my views are very harsh, how about this one for you.
Im sure you guys have strolled along the Bar and Pub section of this forum right?
How many times have you seen "Oh I need a loan" or something of the sort by a person who joined yesterday, 100 posts etc.
Would you send them a 500 fg loan? Chances are you probably wouldnt. Why is this? Because your gut instinct is that they arent sending you any money back and
chances are they are using it for the wrong reasons. And if they lose it, not their loss. Its yours.
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Mar 16 2010 11:31pm
Quote (DoomOnYou @ Mar 17 2010 12:25am)
it is different though.  Giving someone fg on jsp does not help them with their real life problems, whereas giving someone money could.


Pretty much this considering I've never seen someone hold someone else hostage and want fg as ransom.

People are more likely to give up fg because it doesnt equate to real life, rather than part with 3 dollars that might be chump change to them to help someone that maybe hasn't eaten in 2 days.
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Its not as different as you would think it is, its still helping them financially with their problems in a virtual game. If people are willing to steal your fake money, how can you possibly think that people will not steal your real money.
I know my views are very harsh, how about this one for you.
Im sure you guys have strolled along the Bar and Pub section of this forum right?
How many times have you seen "Oh I need a loan" or something of the sort by a person who joined yesterday, 100 posts etc.
Would you send them a 500 fg loan? Chances are you probably wouldnt. Why is this? Because your gut instinct is that they arent sending you any money back and
chances are they are using it for the wrong reasons. And if they lose it, not their loss. Its yours.


We're not arguing that people will not steal real $$. That's not the point at all. We are well aware of the risk of people lying to our face, but we are not putting our trust in them. We are putting our trust in God that by doing so, we might be helping them take a step in the right direction to getting them a better life.

*Edit - Also your analogies concerning FG, no offense, are irrelevant here as FG does not support anybody in real life. (Other then Paul when he sells it ;) )

This post was edited by Blind[zF] on Mar 16 2010 11:32pm
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Quote (DoomOnYou @ Mar 17 2010 12:25am)
it is different though.  Giving someone fg on jsp does not help them with their real life problems, whereas giving someone money could.


I agree that money is more important that fg (lol), but in the sense they are different they are also the same. I gave some guy 3 ists the other day because he was poor, and it made him pretty happy. This guy could have been down on himself recently and maybe this helped him out. I know this is no where close to feeding a hungry person, but in the end they are both acts of kindness.
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I agree that money is more important that fg (lol), but in the sense they are different they are also the same. I gave some guy 3 ists the other day because he was poor, and it made him pretty happy. This guy could have been down on himself recently and maybe this helped him out.  I know this is no where close to feeding a hungry person, but in the end they are both acts of kindness.


Myeh, I guess this is true as well. Things we do should be in God's will, and it never hurts to make somebody happy. Not hard to show someone cares by giving up some items, I suppose.
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Mar 16 2010 11:38pm
Quote (bean183 @ Mar 17 2010 01:32am)
I agree that money is more important that fg (lol), but in the sense they are different they are also the same. I gave some guy 3 ists the other day because he was poor, and it made him pretty happy. This guy could have been down on himself recently and maybe this helped him out. I know this is no where close to feeding a hungry person, but in the end they are both acts of kindness.


Quote (Blind[zF] @ Mar 17 2010 01:31am)
We're not arguing that people will not steal real $$. That's not the point at all. We are well aware of the risk of people lying to our face, but we are not putting our trust in them. We are putting our trust in God that by doing so, we might be helping them take a step in the right direction to getting them a better life.

*Edit - Also your analogies concerning FG, no offense, are irrelevant here as FG does not support anybody in real life. (Other then Paul when he sells it ;) )


Both donating money and fake money is to a less fortunate cause is the same principal.
Would this be a better example?
I lose 500$ playing poker. I make a post saying Hey guys, I have been down on my luck, can anyone spare a few dollars.
Would you give a "less forunate person" money? It in reality when you put the two situations together are basically the same thing.
What if the money you send me I withdraw and go by a bottle of Smiroff with it?

I hate to put it like this, but most of the homeless who I have met with (I did community service in homeless shelters, and soup kitchens) admit that it was their fault that they are in the position that they are. They werent born like it. Many of them were Alcoholics, who openly admitted that most of the money they recieve in begging goes to alcohol. Same with people who are drug addicts.

Its harsh stuff to talk about, but its the facts unfortunately.

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Quote (Valorcide @ Mar 17 2010 01:36am)
Myeh, I guess this is true as well. Things we do should be in God's will, and it never hurts to make somebody happy. Not hard to show someone cares by giving up some items, I suppose.


It never hurts to make someone happy, but when I am making 10$ an hour at my lifeguarding job, why is it that I should be donating an hour of my work time to aid in his alcohol dependency when he tells me he needs it for food?

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Both donating money and fake money is to a  less fortunate cause is the same principal.
Would this be a better example?
I lose 500$ playing poker. I make a post saying Hey guys, I have been down on my luck, can anyone spare a few dollars.
Would you give a "less forunate person" money? It in reality when you put the two situations together are basically the same thing.
What if the money you send me I withdraw and go by a bottle of Smiroff with it?

I hate to put it like this, but most of the homeless who I have met with (I did community service in homeless shelters, and soup kitchens) admit that it was their fault that they are in the position that they are. They werent born like it. Many of them were Alcoholics, who openly admitted that most of the money they recieve in begging goes to alcohol. Same with people who are drug addicts.

Its harsh stuff to talk about, but its the facts unfortunately.


I agree with you. A lot of them do spend it on booze, which is an even better reason to buy them food and talk to them, instead of just giving them money.

This really is a difficult issue. Wwjd?
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Mar 16 2010 11:46pm
Quote (bean183 @ Mar 17 2010 01:43am)
I agree with you. A lot of them do spend it on booze, which is an even better reason to buy them food and talk to them, instead of just giving them money.

This really is a difficult issue. Wwjd?


Jesus would turn all the rocks into fish and solve world hunger, but until then were stuck with deciding on what to do :)
And yes it does give you a better reason to talk to them and buy them food. But it slike you said, TALK TO THEM. BUY THEM FOOD. How many people who donate are doing that?
1/1000?
1/10000?
Probably not even. And due to this you dont know where the money you are going really is going.
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