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Apr 14 2011 01:33am
Are angel's physical beings? Or some type or spirit? When Jesus visited his disiples he walked through a wall and ate with them. So they are both i guess , But

Enoch was Noah's Pawpaw i guess you could say and went up to Heaven in a chariot of fire.

Enoch went to "Heaven" before he died of age, so did he die up there? Does he still have a physical body up there? Did he change once he went up there? Can he feel pain? What about enoch gave him the privilege of going to heaven early?

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sodom and gomorrah was a terrible place in which God sent two angels there to "Clean it up". In fact, the place was so bad people tried to rape the angels. Instead Lot offered up his daughters instead. Lot, His family, and the Angels left while God destroyed the city. But, whenever someone looked back at it being destroyed she turned into a pillar of "Salt".

Was it actually salt? (Or was it some type of dust they had not seen and only could be described as salt), (Be easy on me now) Could this be an alien sending a type of "Bomb" that destroyed the city and due to her looking at it she died? ( Knowing you cant look at an atomic bomb explosion or you will go blind), Was it good that lot offered his daughters to be raped instead?
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Apr 14 2011 09:23am
Very good questions, you are one of the few who really thinks things through. Its good to see.

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Apr 14 2011 11:46am
The story of Sodom is probably not meant to be taken literally. I mean think about it. God tells the angels to search the entire city to find 10 righteous people, and if they could, then the city was to be spared. However, immediately upon arriving at the city, they followed the first guy they talked to (Lot) and went to his house, ate, had their feet washed, and were about to go to bed. When the mob came to gang rape the angels, Lot went out and said "Hey, rape my two virgin daughters instead." Guess that's why the angels found Lot to be Righteous.

Anywho, after this the angels were like "All right Lot, get you and your family out of here. We're going to burn this mother down." So from this we can draw the conclusion that the angels disobeyed God because they did NOT search the city like they were told to. They went directly to Lot's house, encountered one bad mob, and then cast their judgment upon the city.

And then let's not ignore the fact that Lot's daughters later got him drunk and then raped him and later bore children: Moab (translation: from father) and Ben-Ammi (translation: son of my father's people). Since Lot was a righteous man and his daughters were as well (why else would the angels allow them to be spared?) this mean that if this story is to be taken literally, that means God is totally down with incest. Oh, and let's not forget the gang rape so long as it's only young virgin women being raped.
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Apr 14 2011 12:06pm
Quote (Wowzers @ Apr 14 2011 01:33am)
Are angel's physical beings? Or some type or spirit? When Jesus visited his disiples he walked through a wall and ate with them. So they are both i guess , But

Enoch was Noah's Pawpaw i guess you could say and went up to Heaven in a chariot of fire.

Enoch went to "Heaven" before he died of age, so did he die up there? Does he still have a physical body up there? Did he change once he went up there? Can he feel pain? What about enoch gave him the privilege of going to heaven early?

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sodom and gomorrah was a terrible place in which God sent two angels there to "Clean it up". In fact, the place was so bad people tried to rape the angels. Instead Lot offered up his daughters instead. Lot, His family, and the Angels left while God destroyed the city. But, whenever someone looked back at it being destroyed she turned into a pillar of "Salt".

Was it actually salt? (Or was it some type of dust they had not seen and only could be described as salt), (Be easy on me now) Could this be an alien sending a type of "Bomb" that destroyed the city and due to her looking at it she died? ( Knowing you cant look at an atomic bomb explosion or you will go blind), Was it good that lot offered his daughters to be raped instead?


Angels can take physical form.
Enoch is most likely in spiritual form but we only know what the bible says. It really doesn't matter.

The bible says it was salt, why do you doubt?
As for the aliens, i only know what the bible says and it says "from the LORD out of the heavens


Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 14 2011 11:46am)
The story of Sodom is probably not meant to be taken literally. I mean think about it. God tells the angels to search the entire city to find 10 righteous people, and if they could, then the city was to be spared. However, immediately upon arriving at the city, they followed the first guy they talked to (Lot) and went to his house, ate, had their feet washed, and were about to go to bed. When the mob came to gang rape the angels, Lot went out and said "Hey, rape my two virgin daughters instead." Guess that's why the angels found Lot to be Righteous.

Anywho, after this the angels were like "All right Lot, get you and your family out of here. We're going to burn this mother down." So from this we can draw the conclusion that the angels disobeyed God because they did NOT search the city like they were told to. They went directly to Lot's house, encountered one bad mob, and then cast their judgment upon the city.

And then let's not ignore the fact that Lot's daughters later got him drunk and then raped him and later bore children: Moab (translation: from father) and Ben-Ammi (translation: son of my father's people). Since Lot was a righteous man and his daughters were as well (why else would the angels allow them to be spared?) this mean that if this story is to be taken literally, that means God is totally down with incest. Oh, and let's not forget the gang rape so long as it's only young virgin women being raped.


The word of God says this story happened, why do you in your human knowledge assume it is not literal? Read 2 peter 2:6-7. I think it is more likely that peter would reference an actually story
If you read the story your questions would be answered.
First of all the angels did not need to search the city because every single man from the city came to try and rape them. Every single one. read the story.
secondly lot's daughters were spared due to Lot's faith and not their own, just as his wife was.
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Apr 14 2011 12:20pm
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The word of God says this story happened, why do you in your human knowledge assume it is not literal? Read 2 peter 2:6-7. I think it is more likely that peter would reference an actually story
If you read the story your questions would be answered.
First of all the angels did not need to search the city because every single man from the city came to try and rape them. Every single one. read the story.
secondly lot's daughters were spared due to Lot's faith and not their own, just as his wife was.

Even if that were true (seriously, think about what that means for half the population of a city to surround one house: the mob would be stretching for blocks just to rape two new guys), then the angels still ignored all of the women in the city.

And that still wouldn't exonerate Lot for saying "Hey, giant mob, rape my virgin daughters" unless such an act is considered Righteous in the eyes of God.
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Apr 14 2011 01:29pm
Its not that i doubt it salt its just being that long ago they could have just called it salt because they didnt know it was. Just like in revelations when john saw a mountain on fire, people take this as being the oil rig due to he had no idea what an oil rig was. So it could have very well been salt but it also could have been somthing that he didnt know what it was.

And did Lot die in heaven?
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Apr 14 2011 09:44pm
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Its not that i doubt it salt its just being that long ago they could have just called it salt because they didnt know it was. Just like in revelations when john saw a mountain on fire, people take this as being the oil rig due to he had no idea what an oil rig was. So it could have very well been salt but it also could have been somthing that he didnt know what it was.


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Apr 15 2011 12:42am
Quote (Torm1 @ Apr 14 2011 10:23am)
Very good questions, you are one of the few who really thinks things through. Its good to see.

Blessings.


That's an interesting comment. I thought it was only academics who appreciated questioning of religious texts.
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Apr 16 2011 01:13am
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 14 2011 12:20pm)
Even if that were true (seriously, think about what that means for half the population of a city to surround one house: the mob would be stretching for blocks just to rape two new guys), then the angels still ignored all of the women in the city.

And that still wouldn't exonerate Lot for saying "Hey, giant mob, rape my virgin daughters" unless such an act is considered Righteous in the eyes of God.


I believe it because thats what the bible says. Do you believe the word of God?
as for Lot offering his daughters, that was not a righteous act, it was sinful.
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I believe it because thats what the bible says. Do you believe the word of God?
as for Lot offering his daughters, that was not a righteous act, it was sinful.

I don't believe everything that the Bible says is meant to be taken literally. Are you a Young Earth Creationist, i.e. do you believe that Earth is 6000 years old (contrary to radioactive dating that proves the earth is ~4.6 billion years old)? If you agree with demonstrable scientific fact, then you don't take everything in the Bible literally either.
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