The Universe has an origin from which it perpetually expands.

The bible seems to state that things materialized.

Why is there a center and why is it expanding if a God created it?

Not trolling btw i'm just looking for an answer thank you

Speculation, not proven.

The Big Bang and creationism are not mutually exclusive.

I am not sure how many answers you will receive but my answer is from a true Christain who believes the Bible is the inspired word of God.

First of all you must believe the Bible is God's word. If a person does not believe that then what I say and quote from God's word means nothing.

In Psalm 90:2, Moses is recorded as writing "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God".

"From everlasting" means God had no beginning; "to everlasting" means God has no end. Speaking of God in Psalm 93:2, David said "thou art from everlasting", meaning God had no origin. In Psalm 102:27, David writes "But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end" (KJV), a reference to the never ending nature of God.

John the apostle described Jesus in Revelation 1:4 as "him who is and who was, and who is to come." That same description is found in verse 8 of the same chapter. The Hebrew writer said "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (NKJV, Hebrews 13:8).

Jesus said of himself in John 8:58, "before Abraham was, I AM." He claimed deity for Himself by claiming an eternal nature. "I AM" is the equivalent to saying, I have always existed and will always exist." The Jews in that audience understood what He meant, that is why they tried to kill Him (John 8:59).

An eternal God is the only logical explanation for the existence of the universe. The universe cannot be eternal, neither could it create itself out of nothing. Therefore, the only rational, logical explanation for existence is God.

If you have not done so, read the first book in the Bible, Genesis 1. But remember, you must believe what you read and have faith in God's word.

This post was edited by Kisssofdeath on Feb 7 2011 11:55am

for the sake of arguing

Exodus 21:20-21
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

is that truly the inspired word of a god? you can't tell me that it's taken out of context, or that it was written for the times - because that is saying at one point slavery was acceptable. the bible endorses slavery, and if you truly believe the bible, you are in support of slavery.

if you reject this quote, you forfeit the ability to use any other quote from the bible. you wouldn't do that if you truly believed in it.

since no person in their right mind would consent to slavery, Kiss, please provide some other information supporting your claim.

Articus,Feb 10 2011 05:11am]for the sake of arguing

Exodus 21:20-21
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

is that truly the inspired word of a god? you can't tell me that it's taken out of context, or that it was written for the times - because that is saying at one point slavery was acceptable. the bible endorses slavery, and if you truly believe the bible, you are in support of slavery.

if you reject this quote, you forfeit the ability to use any other quote from the bible. you wouldn't do that if you truly believed in it.

since no person in their right mind would consent to slavery, Kiss, please provide some other information supporting your claim.



Now what is it that "you say" I am claiming?

This post was edited by Kisssofdeath on Feb 10 2011 06:28am

There are few things I can attempt to answer.

You are taking it out of context. If you read Exodus 21, it's talking about the laws of the time and yes, slavery was acceptable at that time. And if you think that's wrong, I guess you would also blame the current generation living in the US right now because of their formal ways of slavery. And if you are doing that... that's not really fair is it?

At that time, there were slaves but it's not like the slaves that US had where they were exploited. It was more of a situation where the worker wanted/had to work under the master. They were treated like humans but did works that a normal higher class people wouldn't do for money (sounds a lot like any corporation to me).

What the verse is actually talking about is following up the verses that came before it.

Exodus 21:18-19 “If people quarrel and one person hits another with a stone or with their fist[d] and the victim does not die but is confined to bed, 19 the one who struck the blow will not be held liable if the other can get up and walk around outside with a staff; however, the guilty party must pay the injured person for any loss of time and see that the victim is completely healed."

This talks about how you have to compensate monetarily if you strike or hurt someone but for slaves, since their body/time is what gets them monetarily value, unless they are dead, there is no reason for the master to compensate them monetarily and it was more to protect the slave for the master to charge them for not being able to work for those days that are lost.

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If you think about God's creations, majority of it is meant to grow and expand. This is the case with nature, humans, animals, and etc.

I don't see why universe would be any different.

This post was edited by Slowtoanger on Feb 15 2011 05:33pm

yet to be proven*

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Created here is the word בָּרָא

Within the idea of create, "make", "do" it has has connotations of "dividing" and "making fat", just for starters.

While I do not see any intention to explain or justify a "Scientific" in the context, at least explicitly or even in a prime/secondary reason for the expression; it also seems to hold no forced tangent from Scientific theory, be it Big Bang, String or M-Theory.

I suggest you leave it there or you will get sucked into a war between bad Science and Godless religion.

Shalom

There are many things that we will never know. God is too great to be totally knowable.