I agree PoE 2 will suck. PoE 1 already sucks lol.

That's how I feel as well, and for the people screaming that it's a money grab, the game is still free to play, but much more enjoyable with purchases. All of those purchases and past ones all go between games seamlessly so you don't have to buy anything if you don't want to, it's already there.

What's so funny, do you not agree? No one is going to force you to play it lol. You're welcome to just stick with Diablo, it's much easier.

look, im not even trying to be mean. but literally everything you said in your last post was wrong, and this one isnt much better. except this one is somehow condescending as well im pretty sure it was unintentional but still

I don't see where I'm wrong, I can literally cite my findings, it's from the official website.

official doesnt make it true although they are very careful about their PR and do try their best to avoid legal issues. anyway:

> the people screaming that it's a money grab
its a money grab. freemium is a very effective business model, but got renamed to much more friendly sounding "free to play" in order to lure you into spending money on it, and then later use you to defend it because when sunk cost hits, you are likely to defend your purchase
extremely shady money grab, just with a nice name
not to mention that poe2 is literally p2w, as they said that "those who spent enough money will get the access" without immediately saying how much money. so its not only p2w, but also has undisclosed payments, which is also an extremely shady business practice. jsp does this as well with stars. you are not allowed to talk about star prices to keep the model working, they are "confidential"
> the game is still free to play, but much more enjoyable with purchases
lie by omission, in reality its "the game is still free to play severely gimped, but much less gimped with purchases". every player knows this is true, yet you wont see ggg putting it like that. bad PR, you know
> all of those purchases and past ones all go between games seamlessly
not all. and they very smartly said "not all", with the explanation that not all items can be used in both games, so the mtxs for them cant be used either. this is because ↓
> so you don't have to buy anything if you don't want to
you will have to. they will gradually implement stuff thats poe2 exclusive. this is because they need poe2 to be their primary source of income, so if you think you bought all you needed when you played poe1, i got a chinese washing machine to sell you

tldr: poe is a masterclass in how to manipulate people into doing, and even defending something they otherwise wouldnt, by using psychological mechanisms we all have. i actually proved that statistically by making a poll a long time ago with yes/no questions "do you think poe is p2w" and "have you invested money into it". i actually got a strong correlation between investing and defending that investment (not considering it p2w), basically paying to win and considering that not pay to win. well no surprise there but its so much weirder when you see the numbers behind it

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Oct 2 2024 09:20pm

Bro even your tldr is too long

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I get what you're saying, but quite literally you aren't forced to pay for it. Purchasing things (like tabs and such) will most definitely make the game a better experience, and most people are OK with spending around $60 on a "free" game because that value is justified as the normal cost of a game anyway.

This is nothing new, ESO was the same way. The game was Skyrim but online and was really fun; however, as soon as you paid the $15/month for premium, you could never enjoy the game without after due to the stash capabilities you get and such, you would be far too over encumbered without it.

All-in-all people are gonna play and decide for themselves if they like it and if it's worth it. As long g as someone isn't selling their house or children to feed a spending addiction on it, than it's not that big if a deal. We all have different opinions on most things, and most of us are capable of forming our own opinions without being swayed by any forces.

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oh but i agree ! i dont have a problem if someone offers a good value for money product and installs premium mechanics for a price! and poe is definitely worth the usual game price! i just want them to be clean about it, but thats where those psychological mechanisms kick in

for example youtube (as much as i hate the censorship on it) has a freemium mechanics that i really like. you get a product in usable state, and they are very open about it: this is the free version and it has some problems, if you pay, you will have a better version. completely fair yet, everyone complains and no one defends youtube the way they defend poe. and i havent seen many people that say "hey its a free site, you dont have to use it". this happens because the sunk cost mechanism hasnt been triggered, so people correctly recognize this as a trade with people you dont know or care about, and choose to avoid that trade so they have more money

now take poe. you get a basic product thats in way less usable state than basic youtube. but the model isnt openly called freemium, instead they very carefully crafted a narrative that you are supporting this poor little company with normal people just like you they meet fans and use state of the art PR to look relatable (while chris for example is most likely a narcissist), they keep a low profile as your friendly neighbor company (while being the property of tencent) so you "donate to support" (while you actually pay just to have a normal gaming experience). i was a non-paying user and trust me, game is UNPLAYABLE in that state. the only reason i managed to pull it off is because i didnt even like or play the game, i just enjoyed making hideouts

anyway, once you have enough money invested, the sunk cost kicks in and you subconsciously feel the need to defend your investment. because unlike with a clean freemium model, you dont perceive this as a trade, which it in reality is. you perceive it as an investment, something you werent forced to do, but chose. and if you chose it, it must make sense! so people with sunk cost fallacy will use all kinds of defensive mechanisms to defend their investment thats why chris wilson has a God status (and i mean it literally, there are pics of him as Jesus and the idolizing idiots call him Christ wilson) and thats why whatever ggg does, its positively received

you can actually test this too! go in the game and check out how player characters look. even in act1, you will see that almost everyone has some kind of mtx. thats because only people who invest can play the game, yet for the above reason people are unable to see it

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Oct 3 2024 05:50am