this is a lot, and i plan to get more involved with this.
i have a suggestion that i've put partial thought into and listed in site suggestions. that thread was closed because it wasn't a poll type thread. before making it a poll, i'd like to fine-tune the idea.
this suggestion may be a bit more work than anyone coding the site may want to put in. i'm afraid the only coding knowledge i have was from getting a bit advanced in minecraft. so ya, none.

what i'm hoping to collect from all of you, is the suggestion i want to fine-tune.... worth fine-tuning. or should i just toss this aside and try to think of something easier to create.
more on a coding scale. i'm not sure if this would even be something that could be created here.

my suggestion is a trade interface for this site. so many scams due to small missing pieces of evidence, or just lack of knowledge on what steps to take for safe trading.
this trade interface would be opened by a user. that user would fill out all necessary info for a trade into the respective tabs. (requested trade user name/items or fg being traded out/items or fg requested/optional notes/etc. etc. can fine-tune)
the requested user would receive either a pm or separate solution that there is a trade request. this could be accessed in same pm or w/e. when accessed, all current info will be disclosed and user will have to reply checking "accept trade" box, along with adding necessary info like char name and game name and pass. a separate check box could be added to politely "decline trade" (or just ignore it in total). another box could be added to check "alter trade".

no matter the box you check, just so long as you fill in all the needed boxes for that option, a pm or equivalent would be sent back. ("accept" must have char name, or similar identifying method, entering game or it stays grayed out i.e.)
if there was an alteration, the process repeats back to the original user that sent request. if everything was filled out correctly and accepted, a finalized form would be sent to both users without any ability to edit further.
this form could be directed to moderators for mediated trades. this would help save them quite a bit of time as all info would be gathered at the time of request. they would not have to deal with the multiple pm's back and forth to both users in trade. it wouldn't erase pm's but definitely cut them down for mods.

this idea does need a lot of fine-tuning. not all transactions on this site are purely through game scenario. this interface of course would be optional. it would set an easy guideline to to new members of what is actually needed as proof for safer trading on this site.
i'd imagine the organization of info should keep many trades just as speedy to setup as they are by word. only a lot easier on the mind knowing you didn't have to drill someone via chit chat for "just in-case info".
i have a few large additions to this idea that would promote the use of it "without" any monetary reward. 1 good example. users are given an extra rating that can be viewed on profile. this rating can only go up. on the finalized form that both players receive, they will have the option to upvote if things went well. this will add 1 rating point to that users score. a max of 3 rating points per day can be obtained. any after that could just be nullified to the abyss. this would prevent mass botting or friending for quick points to make someone look good. it can also be capped with 1 users vote will count only once a week. so making a few multi's to sit on doing fake trades for a while would should very little productivity. these points would have no value other than to show users a very small idea of your relation with the trading community in specific.

scamming is just too easy to accomplish here if you have any sort of common sense or manipulative skills. i have made another idea that was a short-term solution to problems and seems to be generally accepted. one huge problem with this site though, is the lack of it's ability to warn users of the dangers here. especially if you are trying to be nice or understanding towards others that have issues doing the same in return. even knowing what info is needed, common etiquette leaves it hard to drill for info. when a user has been delightful to deal with outside of returning 1 piece of info. it's easy to let slide.

new members come in as scammers reborn. or as new users who get scammed. an actual interface is something people are comfortable with. the organization is done for them. with it being optional it wouldn't prevent any transactions that happen out of game. with a meaningless rating score, it would be promoted everywhere. as new members join they will wonder how to get a rating score, and effectively learn to trade with at least proper info.

thanks for reading if you got through it

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Feb 14 2017 05:58pm

so you just want to put in workflow. i dont see how it stops scamming though?

there is nothing that can truly prevent scamming with a system based on trust.
the current above layout is more designed for 3 things.

#1. encourage users to learn what info is needed to fill out an S/A. way too many current S/A's are flooded with 20 pictures, but missing 1 or more very basic pieces of evidence needed. the biggest issue with this, is that nearly all of them believe they have the proof. it's not anyone's responsibility to pick up ignorance or laziness. i know there are bolded threads providing info needed, but it goes unnoticed many times. especially as a new user joins. their first thought in mind would not likely be checking S/A forums. especially as S/A is not even a section a guest can view before logging in. simply, people are not seeing it and not understanding it when they read it. with trader rating points, it will bring up the question "what are those and how do i get them" . it would promote itself.

#2. easy access for trade moderators to gather info. both users info, in jsp and in game, would be accessible along with all the trade info. trade mediation's are currently a bit of a headache for a few reasons. not all mediators play the same game, makes it hard to determine what info they need. trades are done different in different games, on diablo 2 you say your jsp, on runescape....____. i personally feel vulnerable trying new games as i'm basically taking the word of the first person i trade with on how things go. organization would be nice.

#3. keep current members in check. this is partially part of #1. as experienced members, many of us know the ins and outs of trading here. it's easy to exploit new members and walk away without your reputation even being scratched. the members that have something to lose here will be prevented from scamming on many scales, not nearly all though of course.

i would also like to say it would cut multi effectiveness as #4. as you couldn't brag about being a gm trader for years if you have only a couple rating points. but... that would take a couple years to really be effective enough to notice. i'm not sure if account purchase is really a thing, but i imagine it's around on a small scale at least. if it was larger scale, it would help prevent people from creating accounts just to sit on them to sell later. you couldn't claim to be a huge part of the trading section in the community if no one would give you a +1 over years. i'm not sure the scale of the issue for this, it's more a paranoia thing.

i am definitely open to tweaks in the idea. my main goal is trade organization and self-promotion of using it

Who even trades on this site.

Anyways I would make this independent of jsp. For example export all this data to your own server/database and allow users to poll for data. For example you can use the whole multi step trade agreement, but also store statistics that users can use to see if a specific user is more trust-able than another (number of trades, number of completed trades, etc).

What you are wanting to create sounds like a simple ticket system and forensics detail system. Just let the user open a ticket with another user via your system, they can both agree to trade conditions and then once in game you can setup your application with a hotkey and tool tips allowing users to snap screen shots at key intervals and upload them to your server under the ticket. Afterwards if there is a dispute all the information is stored under the interactions ticket and can be provided by either user.

This post was edited by AbDuCt on Feb 14 2017 10:06pm

well you have the basic idea. if this was independent jsp though, it would pretty much only be used by friends, which is where i might usually opt out of using this option. it would be advertised in places people wouldn't look when they join jsp. it would be getting close to just opening another trade site if i wanted to take it steps further.

i apologize for my lack of vocabulary in this field. i say interface without fully comprehending the word. truly what i'm after is an optional way to organize trade info in an appealing and simple to use manner. the meaningless point award is just an example of how it would self-advertise without making threads for it.

i'm not sure if this is too difficult to accomplish. i don't want to suggest a project that just isn't worth the time involved.

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Feb 14 2017 10:41pm