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Sep 14 2013 11:20pm
Quote (Azrad @ Sep 15 2013 01:14am)
And being 19 years out of the industry leads to statements like this^^^



LOL a library is a library, a collection of non built in functions, for esoteric uses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, honestly.

A program (any language) can STILL only do a few things:

1. Input from user
2. Arrays
3. manipulation of user input (the math or the functions)
4. choices (if/then statements)
5. Loops (for iterations)
6. String manipulation
7. Output to the user.

Not necessarily in this order, ofc.

/e ..and library's of non built in functions for those that need something out of the ordinary :)

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Sep 14 2013 11:32pm
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 14 2013 10:20pm)
LOL a library is a library, a collection of non built in functions, for esoteric uses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, honestly.

A program (any language) can STILL only do a few things:

1. Input from user
2. Arrays
3. manipulation of user input (the math or the functions)
4. choices (if/then statements)
5. Loops (for iterations)
6. Output to the user.

/e  ..and library's of non built in functions for those that need something out of the ordinary  :)


lol no

Quote (wikipedia)
A language's standard library is often treated as part of the language by its users, although the designers may have treated it as a separate entity. Many language specifications define a core set that must be made available in all implementations, in addition to other portions which may be optionally implemented. The line between a language and its libraries therefore differ from language to language. Indeed, some languages are designed so that the meanings of certain syntactic constructs cannot even be described without referring to the core library.

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Sep 15 2013 02:15am
Quote (Ghot @ 15 Sep 2013 05:20)
LOL a library is a library, a collection of non built in functions, for esoteric uses.
Correct me if I'm wrong, honestly.

A program (any language) can STILL only do a few things:

1. Input from user
...
7. Output to the user.

Not necessarily in this order, ofc.

/e  ..and library's of non built in functions for those that need something out of the ordinary  :)


please name non-assembly languages which do not use libraries for the performance of (non-trivial) input/output
btw, with "any language" you refer to non-assembly languages i assume

/note not claiming that assembly languages don't use libraries, they have extensive libraries available for convenience but one can do without if one wants to

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Sep 15 2013 02:53am
Quote (Azrad @ Sep 14 2013 09:25pm)
Then you probably shouldn't be telling us about what functions exist in languages you've never worked with (since they hadn't even been created/invented when you stopped).


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Quote (Azrad @ Sep 14 2013 09:50pm)
Nice goal post move, but yes, these functions do exist in standard libraries (for example there is one in the MatLab/MudPad libraries).

inb4anothergoalpostmove/backpedal


yea, any language that is used to crunch numbers in any form, is going to have at least some library shit, somewhere, that's going to convert extremely popular shit to other extremely popular shit

hey ghot

hex doesn't convert directly to decimal either, it has to be binary first, in both ways

does that make you.. mad?

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Sep 15 2013 03:58am
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A language's standard library is often treated as part of the language by its users, although the designers may have treated it as a separate entity. Many language specifications define a core set that must be made available in all implementations, in addition to other portions which may be optionally implemented. The line between a language and its libraries therefore differ from language to language. Indeed, some languages are designed so that the meanings of certain syntactic constructs cannot even be described without referring to the core library.



You're equivocating standard and core to mean the same thing. Done wit dat one.


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hex doesn't convert directly to decimal either, it has to be binary first, in both ways


Yep and that would define a CORE library. Done with dat one.

/e really funny part is this topic was done at post #6 and #7 ....all else is semantics pissing contest :/

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 15 2013 04:22am
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Sep 15 2013 11:23am
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 15 2013 02:58am)
You're equivocating standard and core to mean the same thing. Done wit dat one.
Actually I'm not the one doing that, Wikipedia is...



Quote (Ghot @ Sep 14 2013 06:39pm)
...now stop trying to impress me with shyt I learned in 1984, and you're just learning  :)

Quote (Ghot @ Sep 14 2013 09:12pm)
/ee  Why you bust my balls...you know last I coded was 1984, it was Fortran and 19 years ago  :/


So you learned to program in 1984, you stopped in 1984. Do you really think someone with 1 years experience from decades ago in a subject that changes as quickly as computer programming, should be commenting about programming now?

And FYI 2013 - 1984 = 29 years, not 19.

This post was edited by Azrad on Sep 15 2013 11:24am
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Sep 15 2013 12:12pm
Quote (Azrad @ Sep 15 2013 12:23pm)
And FYI 2013 - 1984 = 29 years, not 19.


He was probably using roman numerals to do this equation, too hipster to use built in libraries he made his own and it didn't work.

But yea there are libraries for roman numerals to ascii, easy assignment

e/
http://roman.sourceforge.net/

read through some more of this thread, ghot claiming the romans did it all wrong, and that they "didn't have a zero" really gave me a good chuckle, explains how a lot of our basic principles for math are "wrong" according to you. Then again you can't pull off basic subtraction so there's that.

This post was edited by 0n35 on Sep 15 2013 12:18pm
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Sep 17 2013 09:47am
I like all of the attention this topic got but this is no longer my problem, My new problem is finding an easy way to do boolean algebra w/o using kmaps for example this is one of the things i need to simplify using boolean algebra

D'C'B'A+D'C'BA'+D'C'BA+D'CBA'+D'CBA+DC'B'A'+DC'BA
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Sep 17 2013 07:19pm
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 14 2013 06:06pm)
They got it wrong, that's how


hahahahahaha

implying that people were incapable of doing math until a more modern (by more modern --> one that we currently use) numerical representation existed.

hilarious.

This post was edited by irimi on Sep 17 2013 07:19pm
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Sep 17 2013 07:27pm
Quote (irimi @ Sep 17 2013 06:19pm)
hahahahahaha

implying that people were incapable of doing math until a more modern (by more modern --> one that we currently use) numerical representation existed.

hilarious.


Pythagoras, Euclid, Democritus; all hacks!
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