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Mar 10 2014 01:09pm
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 02:07pm)
But if you can't define true value, this is just semantics, I'm trying to help u understand scarceness in a digital world, something that has never existed till recently*. You must learn the protocol to comment on comparison, is what I am repeating.


I understand perfectly well that BitCoin has defined scarcity in it's protocol. That part isn't lost on me. The thing I'm trying to get you to explain is just how scarcity seems to be the only measure of a currencies worth (hint: it isn't). That's the part that you aren't getting and it's not an argument of semantics, given that it's a rather large part of economics.
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Mar 10 2014 01:16pm
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I understand perfectly well that BitCoin has defined scarcity in it's protocol. That part isn't lost on me. The thing I'm trying to get you to explain is just how scarcity seems to be the only measure of a currencies worth (hint: it isn't). That's the part that you aren't getting and it's not an argument of semantics, given that it's a rather large part of economics.


The part your not getting is that it should be at least a part about rarity and scarceness, but it's not AT ALL (when referring to USD) so u can't say "just" when referencing USD currency value, as it holds no actual scarceness, and is controlled by humans that gain interest off printing and putting our country in further debt. ;)

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Mar 10 2014 01:19pm
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The part your not getting is that it should be at least a part about rarity and scarceness, but it's not AT ALL, so u can't say just when referring to USD currency, as it holds no actual scarceness, and is controlled by humans that gain interest off printing and putting our country in further debt. ;)


No, I get that which is why I pointed it out. Another thing that I now understand is that trying to discuss something with a true believer will get nowhere fast.
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Mar 10 2014 01:22pm
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No, I get that which is why I pointed it out. Another thing that I now understand is that trying to discuss something with a true believer will get nowhere fast.


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Mar 10 2014 01:32pm
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 01:07pm)
But if you can't define true value, this is just semantics, I'm trying to help u understand scarceness in a digital world, something that has never existed till recently*. You must learn the protocol to comment on comparison, is what I am repeating.


Ron Paul evangelical using the us vs. them argument, which may as well be a false dilemma, I have already explained why you can utilize both and often people do when speculating. To try and explain why Bitcoin, something backed by nothing but social proof and a powerful network of miners is comparable than the USD which is backed by the full force of the strongest state on the planet coupled with a global economy, is kind of silly but I see the usefulness in both types and consider them both to be legitimate. The people here do not know libertarian economics but I have read all their “top” thinkers—(e.g., Rothbard, Mises, Hayek, et al.)—meaning I have a good understanding of how you people think, considering I've held similar positions myself.

Bitcoin ideologues are normally retarded, they display it on forums like this, and people simply laugh at them. I have seen people much like yourself since '09 and it seems to be getting worse.

Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 08:36am)
We are debating the potential of bitcoin being widely accepted, aka replacing the fiat monetary system which holds no true value to a consumer or a network of consumers, it only holds the hypothetical value that is set by a centralized third party (can't get into detail here as it's irrelevant). It cannot be compared by saying that others do during exchanges, exchanges are based on bitcoin value and whatever the $ is currently inflated to, but we assuming that they don't print out 3.5 trillion over night and lend it out or spend it lol. Something that can't happen with bitcoin..


It is not going to happen, Bitcoin is its own system, but it is not a replacement of the USD. It can compliment it, it may even be implemented in a more expandable fiat form rather than holding a static supply but it will not replace fiat currency. You are thinking in a black and white way, there are uses for deflationary Bitcion-esque currencies, as well, many more for inflationary fiat types. Since you're probably scared of a system based on credit, debt, and a dynamic supply, you can live in your Bitcoin fantasy world and never take advantage of what USD offers. The fact that most monetary value in Bitcoin is derived from its relation to actual money and most people use it purely to speculate, is pretty paradoxical to your own narrow-minded beliefs.

Again, if you need help understanding the protocol, maybe you want to meet up in Vegas and have lunch with Mitnick bought and paid for with Bitcoin, let me know. I don't have time for noobs!

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Mar 10 2014 02:32pm
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 12:07pm)
You must learn the protocol to comment on comparison, is what I am repeating.


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Until you can understand the protocol and it's fail-safes, u cannot comment in comparison to the US $


Telling people they don't understand a system, meanwhile making obvious mistakes, strawmanning, and ignoring criticism isn't a good way to get your message out. In fact it a good sign your a nutter.

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Mar 10 2014 02:33pm
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Telling people they don't understand a system, meanwhile making obvious mistakes, strawmanning, and ignoring criticism isn't a good way to get your message out. In fact it a good sign your a nutter.


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Mar 10 2014 04:06pm
Quote (Azrad @ Mar 10 2014 12:32pm)
Telling people they don't understand a system, meanwhile making obvious mistakes, strawmanning, and ignoring criticism isn't a good way to get your message out. In fact it a good sign your a nutter.


If they understood the protocol, they would not need explanation or comparisons, I'm not going to explain bitcoin to a child minded fool in denial.
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Mar 10 2014 04:17pm
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If they understood the protocol, they would not need explanation or comparisons, I'm not going to explain bitcoin to a child minded fool in denial.


aka: "If you were not so ignorant, you would all agree with me!". Nice....
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Mar 10 2014 11:30pm
Quote (Azrad @ Mar 10 2014 02:17pm)
aka: "If you were not so ignorant, you would all agree with me!". Nice....


I don't expect you to take my word for it, but it's not my place to teach u the basics, when you can simply google the keywords for bitcoin protocol. After you believe you have an understanding of its fail safes and scarceness, you can have a conversation regarding such.

It's like asking a coder to explain how the language was developed, aka irrelevant, it's usage and limitations are all that is important.
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