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Mar 10 2014 01:12am
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 9 2014 04:08pm)
We did have a gold system backing our tender at some point
Even that was fiat, since the exchange rate of dollars to gold could (and was) changed as deemed necessary. Unless you are swapping sheep for shovels (a barter system), you are using a fiat currency.

Quote (Minkomonster @ Mar 9 2014 04:18pm)
I am not sure why you responded with laced animosity. I recognized your facetiousness in your reply, and was merely elaborating. The barter system does not work trading goods for goods, their needed to be a medium.


well please accept my apology (I'll trade it to you for that sick sheep you got no one will trade for a shovel!).
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Mar 10 2014 01:14am
Quote (Azrad @ Mar 9 2014 11:12pm)
Even that was fiat, since the exchange rate of dollars to gold could (and was) changed as deemed necessary. Unless you are swapping sheep for shovels (a barter system), you are using a fiat currency.


U must admit, tender held (some set) value then, it never did (at all) after the recall.
To add* the tender we use today has no trade value, it simply represents the noted amount, printed and lent out at an interest rate as seen fit by the fed.
Interest is not an exchange rate nor a measure of value.


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Mar 10 2014 01:23am
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U must admit, tender held (some set) value then, it never did (at all) after the recall.
It has enough value that people will still kill for it...

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Mar 10 2014 01:29am
Quote (Azrad @ Mar 9 2014 11:23pm)
It has enough value that people will still kill for it...


That value is based off of the amount printed, not mined.
If they print too much or loan it out without enough interest, inflation will spike to it's demise (inevitably), unlike bitcoin protocol or any de-centralized currency


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Mar 10 2014 01:33am
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 12:14am)
U must admit, tender held (some set) value then, it never did (at all) after the recall.

Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 12:29am)
That value is based off of the amount printed

ok so it has no value, but it has value....



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Mar 10 2014 01:39am
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 01:14am)
U must admit, tender held (some set) value then, it never did (at all) after the recall.
To add* the tender we use today has no trade value, it simply represents the noted amount, printed and lent out at an interest rate as seen fit by the fed.
[B]Interest is not an exchange rate nor a measure of value
.[/B]


Debt, which carries a heavy relation with interest, was arguably one of the earliest recorded measurements used for exchange and trade. There is an anthropologist named Graeber who has studied the origins of money and blew the barter theories the fuck out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years

Since it only considers the last 5,000 years and our information pre-history is limited, it makes for a difficult study. The value of something—e.g., tender, gold, Federal Reserve notes, or whatever—is measured through a group consensus, judging its value can be determined better by considering backing it, for USD which has the full might of the state behind it and a global economy that relies on us, obvious puts it on the top. The same works for Bitcoin, it has a huge network backing it, many interested parties, and relies heavily on positive-feedback from its all of its users (which works both ways).



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Mar 10 2014 01:41am
Quote (Azrad @ Mar 9 2014 11:33pm)
ok so it has no value, but it has value....


That value is only valued based on choosing to not print more, the fact that they can without any work... Bitcoins can't be printed without the work to back it. Legal tender in us works like forum gold, instead of fed or bankers, it's Paul ;)

Would you agree that fg holds value just as our tender does? Only worth what it's worth based on how many fgs have been created (aka back when it was 1fg per post) Because no one can print bitcoins without the work to prove it

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Mar 10 2014 01:44am
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That value is only valued based on choosing to not print more, the fact that they can without any work... Bitcoins can't be printed without the work to back it. Legal tender in us works like forum gold, instead of fed or bankers, it's Paul ;)

Would you agree that fg holds value just as our tender does? Because no one can print bitcoins without the work to prove it


Bitcoin is a completely different type of currency, it is a deflationary currency, while Federal Reserve notes are inflationary. They both work in different ways, they both are viable, meaning you do not have to choose one or the other. Why not play both and take advantage of exchange arbitration?
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Mar 10 2014 01:47am
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Bitcoin is a completely different type of currency, it is a deflationary currency, while Federal Reserve notes are inflationary. They both work in different ways, they both are viable, meaning you do not have to choose one or the other. Why not play both and take advantage of exchange arbitration?


Lol? Did u just compare a de-centralized currency to the US $
I giggled, luckily no one was watching
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Mar 10 2014 01:54am
Quote (LulzSec @ Mar 10 2014 01:47am)
Lol? Did u just compare a de-centralized currency to the US $
I giggled, luckily no one was watching
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Yes, considering most people compare them all the time when they're trading their Bitcions for USD, or buying Bitcoins with USD. Look, I'm willing to be nice to people who are new to Bitcoin, not everyone has been around for as many years as me, some of the new people do not really understand it. If you have any questions you can PM me man.

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