Quote (own-legendz @ Oct 24 2012 08:51am)

Well, thanks for congratulating me instead of flaming rigtht away lol. I honestly really do enjoy it, I really can't disclose the data center i work for they have very strict policies about those sorts of things.. But it is ALOT to learn. I will tell you that everything that I learned in shcool does not apply to anything that I am doing here besides the basic concepts and having that knowledge of components, but even then, there are so many different devices working on enterprise level.. With building and all servers/devices in our data center it is something close to 3.8 BILLION dollars, afterall it is the largest financial group in the world.. But you are right in the sense that it is menial work that is outsourced. Any company that has big projects and such usually have a team that they work closely with instead of having to use communicator, deal with language barrier and so on.. I did exaggerate a bit which isn't right because that is leading OP in the wrong direction, i apologize for that. But, I will stick to the fact that my professors and advisors did tell me that it would be easier to find a job in Networking than programming (this is all based off of what they told me) After taking programming courses and working on big projects for my class and seeing all the time it takes writing line after line after line of code ( not to mention are teacher MADE us use Linux, for EVERYTHING!) I realistically could not see myself sitting in front of a computer screen coding everyday. It just wasn't for me. if you are more into hardware and components (ie. building and installing physcial server, doing HDD changes, running fibre and copper connections, things along that line) I would deff suggest networking. If you are more into coding, learning diff languages, being behind the computer doing that work than you may be more into a CIS degree or coding (not sure what its called at your school) degree. Remeber that a degreee iun computer information systems is very broad and you dont have to just focus on coding, there are many different things you can do with that degree.

Quote (rockonkenshin @ Oct 22 2012 06:38pm)

I really think you should enroll in a Community College and see how it goes for you. Programming is going to require that you have some enjoyment of math.

edit: Why did I click on your profile? For fuck's sakes I can't believe you are 28 and have kids.

Quote (purplex @ Oct 24 2012 10:38pm)

Depends on what you are doing. I would say that someone who hates EVERY part of math is probably not capable of enjoying programming due to the similarities in the logic that you need to apply.
I think you can hate math and like programming, but it depends why you say you hate math.  I hate math in the sense that sitting there solving equations gets bland after a few minutes, but I like the logical/procedural mindset that it puts you in .. its even meditative at times, which is the part that I think you need to like to program without ripping your hair out.  although like I said it depends what you are doing, theres some areas of the field where you have to actively like math.

Quote (irimi @ Oct 25 2012 04:18pm)

Seriously people... math isn't about "sitting there solving equations."

Quote (rockonkenshin @ Oct 25 2012 01:28pm)

Of course. This is basically what I try to convey in less concise terms. Math-minded people will more actively enjoy all facets of programming. I'm no mathematician but I enjoy it and I like to apply the principals when I write code.

Quote (purplex @ Oct 25 2012 10:21am)

its not 'about' that but thats a big big part of it until you go far where you aren't textbook learning 100% of the time.

Quote (irimi @ Oct 25 2012 05:29pm)

Math stopped being "sitting there solving equations" by the time I was in the second semester of my first year in college.  Shit, even by the end of high school, it was less about solving equations and more about figuring out which equations you were supposed to be solving.