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Jul 5 2022 02:15am
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We are expanding the team, but as we are a zero-budget group, we cannot offer any payment and so the expectations follow; we cannot expect anything from anyone.


so this is an ad looking for free labour?

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it's about learning and adding to your portfolio


lmao. how about you aid people in their learning by not luring them into wasting their time on fruitless, time consuming projects?
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Jul 5 2022 02:21am
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so this is an ad looking for free labour?



lmao. how about you aid people in their learning by not luring them into wasting their time on fruitless, time consuming projects?



You’re entitled to your own opinion, I consider us lucky not having such a toxic person on our team! We’re making massive progress and it’s all good for us.

Good luck on your future endeavors :-)
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Jul 5 2022 03:23am
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You’re entitled to your own opinion, I consider us lucky not having such a toxic person on our team! We’re making massive progress and it’s all good for us.

Good luck on your future endeavors :-)


How is trying to help anyone naive enough considering working for you for free toxic? On the contrary, what you are doing is extremely despicable and even illegal in most first world countries.
Without a dedicated senior dev who is willing to teach others (spoiler: these won't work for free) everyone who wants to use this as a learning experience will only end up disappointed.
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How is trying to help anyone naive enough considering working for you for free toxic? On the contrary, what you are doing is extremely despicable and even illegal in most first world countries.
Without a dedicated senior dev who is willing to teach others (spoiler: these won't work for free) everyone who wants to use this as a learning experience will only end up disappointed.



There’s literally nothing illegal about a group of people coming together and creating a game together. Spreading false information is just weird.

I don’t see why you have a problem with it. If you don’t want to join, don’t. If you do, feel free. This is an opportunity that many devs see as a great way to get experience in working with a team and learning how it is to work remotely. None of the management team gets payed for anything, none of the devs do. It’s technically a game jam which is super common.
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Jul 5 2022 03:46am
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There’s literally nothing illegal about a group of people coming together and creating a game together. Spreading false information is just weird.

I don’t see why you have a problem with it. If you don’t want to join, don’t. If you do, feel free. This is an opportunity that many devs see as a great way to get experience in working with a team and learning how it is to work remotely. None of the management team gets payed for anything, none of the devs do. It’s technically a game jam which is super common.


Are you going to open-source every asset and give away the final product for free? Then you are right, it is not illegal, and I am deeply sorry for stating so.
You did however mention royalties, so as soon as there is even a single dollar of revenue involved what you are doing becomes illegal.

I've been working as a software developer for over six years now, and I can tell anyone interested that joining such a project is not a good way to learn.
Better options would be:
>former education such a college
>an internship at an established company, either paid or unpaid, where you get a mentor assigned and get actual references
>doing your own fun projects that are small enough in scope that you can plan and execute everything by yourself
>joining an open source project that has a mentor program

My problem is that you are trying to deceive others in hope to have someone do the grunt work for you for free, while trying to look like a saint who is only trying to help poor devs gain some real work experience.
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Are you going to open-source every asset and give away the final product for free? Then you are right, it is not illegal, and I am deeply sorry for stating so.
You did however mention royalties, so as soon as there is even a single dollar of revenue involved what you are doing becomes illegal.

I've been working as a software developer for over six years now, and I can tell anyone interested that joining such a project is not a good way to learn.
Better options would be:
>former education such a college
>an internship at an established company, either paid or unpaid, where you get a mentor assigned and get actual references
>doing your own fun projects that are small enough in scope that you can plan and execute everything by yourself
>joining an open source project that has a mentor program

My problem is that you are trying to deceive others in hope to have someone do the grunt work for you for free, while trying to look like a saint who is only trying to help poor devs gain some real work experience.



Yeah well your experience isn’t reality in every case, I’m sorry to break your bubble. Most of us are graduates or have even worked in the industry before. We’re not piggybacking on people who doesn’t know better, we also carefully inform everyone of the situation prior to joining. We trying to sort out any possible way of income to provide to the people on the team but as that isn’t an option yet we cannot.

And no, it doesn’t work that way that if there is a dollar revenue then it becomes illegal. We have looked up our rights and we’re not crossing any legal borders. But thank you for trying to shed light on the situation, I appreciate your concern. “The grunt work” you’re trying to make us look bad by looking for devs to create is just off-putting wording. Everyone in the team is passionate about their area and are consistently having great fun with each other, learning from each other and growing as developers in a team and personally. You may think that it is not a good way to learn and that’s up to you. Some people have a harder time getting a college education let alone a internship, we offer them something to work on with constant feedback and help throughout, as well as guidance an inputs from experienced devs. Again, you’re entitled to your own opinion but don’t state things as if they were facts just because you yourself have had a bad experience like it.
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Jul 16 2022 10:53am
kickstarter?
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Jul 16 2022 12:15pm
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Yeah well it's a pretty great experience for those who want to build a portfolio and if the game takes off royalties will obviously be payed out.

We're already around 30 developers working on the game, everyone for free, who is passionate about the project. Literally no issues. If you're not interested, then you're not :P


Some of the best games in the world are made from passion without $$ being a priority. I hope this game takes off
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Jul 16 2022 12:19pm
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How is trying to help anyone naive enough considering working for you for free toxic? On the contrary, what you are doing is extremely despicable and even illegal in most first world countries.
Without a dedicated senior dev who is willing to teach others (spoiler: these won't work for free) everyone who wants to use this as a learning experience will only end up disappointed.


none of this is illegal. People have the choice to agree and be apart of this project.
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Jul 18 2022 03:50pm
Could you pm me some discord info or something? I'm a fairly new developer but am pretty efficient at learning whichever frameworks/libraries are needed. I am kinda just taking experience where I can get it. I've included a link to my new developer page built using threejs (3d modeling/texturing). Currently must be ran locally because as I upload with a CDN for threejs things start to break. :)

let me know.

https://github.com/meeseLoL/threejs-github-pages-deployment

This post was edited by meeeeese on Jul 18 2022 03:53pm
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