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Nov 17 2014 03:19pm
Quote (Minkomonster @ Nov 17 2014 02:35pm)
You missed the entire point of my post. My point was not that you should be a guru. My point was that you shouldn't be disingenuous and FAKE knowledge of a core piece of technology that is required for the job. I agree with you that the interview tech screen should be rigorous enough to weed out the unqualified, and I also agree that as developers we are flexible enough that we can apply what we know of one language to another and learn it efficiently.

However there is a big difference in saying "I have never used X before, however, I have read about it and feel like it is something I could pick up very easily. From what I understand it is used for Y and reminds me of Z. Here is how I would use Z for Y."  rather than "I have used X in many different projects, the last project I used it in was [proceeds to bull shit his way through the explanation because he has never actually used X and is instead just reciting what he read off wikipedia and a simple tutorial on some dude's blog]."

Big fucking difference.


Don't get me wrong, if you're lying about skills that you have / don't have for a job where those skills are obviously critical, then yeah, I can see how that would be frowned upon.

But if he does lie about how much experience he has, and passes the technical interview....

then.... I mean if you think about it, the point of the technical interview is to make sure he knows how to solve problems with whatever language your company uses right? If he passes it, then according to that test, he does. Sooooooooo.

From an interviewee's perspective, all the stuff that isn't technical questions is basically "Random BS HR questions I have to answer the right way to get past the first screening"

And if you have a specific part of the interview that is designated to figure out what you know, code and application wise... then a question about your experience is more of an HR question than a "can you do this task" question.

So in that case, I treat it like any other HR question. Make something up that I feel like the company would like to hear.

Is that ethical? Debate-able.

But the way I see it, the end result is the same.

Interview someone who lies about their life goals or experience or whatever --> is able to pass the technical interview --> proves he can do the job anyway --> does the job.
Interview someone who actually does have life goals / programming experience --> is able to pass the technical interview --> proves he can do the job --> does the job.

Why would I let something that isn't necessarily an indicator of whether or not I can do the job affect whether or not I actually get the job?





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Nov 17 2014 03:27pm
I spent all week looking up /reading about .NET compared to other Frameworks I've used to just have a basic understanding of some specifics.

They didn't ask a SINGLE question about ANY of it. All the questions were basic OOP type questions or standard database type (How would you combine a students table with their classes...etc).

It kind of shocked me to be honest. The questions weren't hard at all but I didn't expect it after what all they told me to understand. I had to sit there and force all of the .NET crap out of my mind and answer in terms I fully understood. Was harder than if they hadn't told me to review anything.
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Nov 17 2014 05:00pm
Um...that doesn't make sense. They told you to study up on ADO.NET, and then you say they didn't ask you any .NET questions, but they asked you relational database questions.

So, it seems like they asked you database questions expecting an answer revolving around the usage of the .NET framework, specifically ADO.NET. So, if you forced all of that out of your head and instead answered with general theory relational database theory then I feel you may be in for a rude awakening. I told you they weren't going to ask you flat out "Explain this using .NET." They would give you a general question, and expect you to show them that you can utilize the technology they are interested in to solve it.

That should have been a red flag. They told you to understand ADO.NET, and then asked you database questions. They wanted to hear about ADO.NET. On the same token, I am assuming since they wanted you to be refreshed on MVC5 that those OOP questions they most likely were looking for an answer utilizing something like WebAPI.
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Nov 18 2014 10:59am
Quote (Minkomonster @ Nov 17 2014 06:00pm)
Um...that doesn't make sense. They told you to study up on ADO.NET, and then you say they didn't ask you any .NET questions, but they asked you relational database questions.

So, it seems like they asked you database questions expecting an answer revolving around the usage of the .NET framework, specifically ADO.NET. So, if you forced all of that out of your head and instead answered with general theory relational database theory then I feel you may be in for a rude awakening. I told you they weren't going to ask you flat out "Explain this using .NET." They would give you a general question, and expect you to show them that you can utilize the technology they are interested in to solve it.

That should have been a red flag. They told you to understand ADO.NET, and then asked you database questions. They wanted to hear about ADO.NET. On the same token, I am assuming since they wanted you to be refreshed on MVC5 that those OOP questions they most likely were looking for an answer utilizing something like WebAPI.


They hardly even asked me any relational database questions. "How do you join a table...." that was a joke but through me off because I didn't expect it immediately. Told me to have a deep understanding of OOP and the only OOP question they asked was "how do you declare an object" what am I, a freshman?

They didn't say to do anything in .NET or C# they said any language just pseudocode -.- one question was to write them a web page that prints out "hello world" with just basic <!Doctype> <HTML> <header> <body> type tags and a <p> in body o.O

They don't even use MVC5 or anything.... they have their own framework etc that they use. All of the understanding .NET was pointless because they don't even use it. They use their own in-house stuff
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Nov 18 2014 11:42am
Quote (HoneyBadger @ Nov 18 2014 11:59am)

They don't even use MVC5 or anything.... they have their own framework etc that they use. All of the understanding .NET was pointless because they don't even use it. They use their own in-house stuff


Save yourself the trouble and find another job. Either that or be prepared to be miserable for the 6 months to a year you spend at that company gaining "experience" so you look better to other companies.
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Nov 18 2014 12:33pm
Quote (Minkomonster @ Nov 18 2014 12:42pm)
Save yourself the trouble and find another job. Either that or be prepared to be miserable for the 6 months to a year you spend at that company gaining "experience" so you look better to other companies.


I don't even know if I'd take the position if offered. Sitting around in a cube programming by myself doesn't sound like a good way to live. Team driven development is MUCH better than solo-agile methodology -.-
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