I don't know what that means..

external app == external application

he means utilizing external applications, let alone performing input and output on them, through your initial application, is not really a beginner subject.

i beg to differ its literally almost 7 lines in C

2-3 for writing to a file

another 1-2 to call the windows shellexec api opening notepad with the file as arg1 to notepad...

an infant could write it

This post was edited by Alithea on Jan 11 2013 06:33pm

nobody said it takes many lines or it was difficult. his topic is to learn the basics of programming and he wants to put a presentation together to demonstrate what he learned. he should pick something more appropriate. using gorm is only a few lines too, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice for a beginner's programming presentation.

yea this is true, but eep declared it was not really a beginner subject. i think its highly beginner seeing as it would put two beginner skills together. simply file i/o (which you learn withing the first few weeks of any class online or in school) and searching for windows apis on your own and figuring out how to simply use them or search for examples for their use. which are a must have for anyone.

id say the only hard part about it is putting your thoughts into searchable terms in order to find a function youre looking for.

This post was edited by Alithea on Jan 11 2013 07:13pm

Making an input output isn't hard, but that doesn't mean you understand jack shit about programming.

I agree with carteblanche

Depends how you define beginner subject/skills my friend. I still don't know about windows APIs, does that mean I am less than a beginner?

i would of imagined you would of dabbled in it to create your own program of some sort by now (or maybe you have and not realized it), after all you've been programming for months. when i first started socket programming fascinated me all be it in vb6 and delphi at the time, but eventually moved to native winsock without having to use wrappers. not as an insult but you should try stepping out of the box some time develope an application that is out of your confort level or skill set, sure you might fail or google allot of the code, but id say it would speed up understanding of the language. at least it did for me. think of something you do everyday and create something to refine and make your life easier. for me i created a simple client server chat application and eventually added not just 1 way chats but an actual chat server that handles multiple requests and then different packets for events and userlists and channels. it was interesting.



thats what im agreeing with, but i said that it is surely "beginners work" unlike previously posted. after all its not like you need to know how to sort an pointer to an array of structs containing malloced memory for cstrings to be able to do beginner file input/output and googling for an api. hell one could even use the system() function which is just as covered in most online tutorials as printf and such.

all i said was yes it is indeed beginner, no it doesnt mean you know the language.

This post was edited by Alithea on Jan 11 2013 11:33pm

I don't have much inspiration to make anything at the moment. The stuff I want to do, unfortunately, is on a bit grander scale and I need some more knowledge.