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Mar 5 2023 01:15pm
when does human life begin? afaik a new human being comes into existence at conception
does anyone feel otherwise? if so please explain how you rationalize the murder of little humans

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Mar 5 2023 01:29pm
Let me ask this....

Why is it such a concern now? Abortions have been around thousands of years... Why make it more of a problem now? If republicans were so against it they should of dealt with it years ago

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Mar 5 2023 01:30pm
How many people died during Flood (Noah) and the 4x genocides ordered by God ?
/e i will pass on killing all the first borns of Egypt (10 plagues chapter)

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Mar 5 2023 01:38pm
Only in bizzaro world do you have to tell people it's bad to kill babies and don't do it.
This isn't a rep vs dem thing.
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Mar 5 2023 02:01pm
Until you develop consciousness you are an object, not a person.

After that, you have to have a claim to the woman's body, and you don't have that. There is no circumstance where I can be entitled to the medical use of another's body.
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Mar 5 2023 02:08pm
Abortion robs someone of a life. Anyone with principles & a triple digit IQ should be against murdering robbing an individual of a life.
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Mar 5 2023 02:13pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Mar 5 2023 02:08pm)
Abortion robs someone of a life. Anyone with principles & a triple digit IQ should be against murdering robbing an individual of a life.


If you consume anything in a first world country you do that every day.
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Mar 5 2023 02:18pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ 5 Mar 2023 21:08)
Abortion robs someone of a life. Anyone with principles & a triple digit IQ should be against murdering robbing an individual of a life.

An embryo or first-trimester fetus is neither an independent life nor does it have an individual personality. An abortion 8 weeks into a pregnancy is not the same, from a practical and moral perspective, as an 8th month abortion. The development of human life is not a discrete event, it happens on a continuous scale and we have to draw a line somewhere.

Radicals from both ends of the spectrum are lazy by taking an absolutist stance that allows them to avoid a difficult and painful, but important debate by going either "any fertilized egg is in the same moral category as a newborn baby" or "the mother has the right to terminate her pregnancy at any point up until literal birth for any reason". (For the record: in practice, the overwhelming majority of late-term abortions happen due to very severe and tragic medical reasons, not because a women carried her pregnancy for months before changing her mind on a whim. Still: in recent years, pro-lifers are increasingly arguing that a woman would have the moral right to carry out late term abortions whenever she feels like it, no medical reasons needed.)
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Mar 5 2023 02:22pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 5 2023 02:18pm)
An embryo or first-trimester fetus is neither an independent life nor does it have an individual personality. An abortion 8 weeks into a pregnancy is not the same, from a practical and moral perspective, as an 8th month abortion. The development of human life is not a discrete event, it happens on a continuous scale and we have to draw a line somewhere.

Radicals from both ends of the spectrum are lazy by taking an absolutist stance that allows them to avoid a difficult and painful, but important debate by going either "any fertilized egg is in the same moral category as a newborn baby" or "the mother has the right to terminate her pregnancy at any point up until literal birth for any reason". (For the record: in practice, the overwhelming majority of late-term abortions happen due to very severe and tragic medical reasons, not because a women carried her pregnancy for months before changing her mind on a whim. Still: in recent years, pro-lifers are increasingly arguing that a woman would have the moral right to carry out late term abortions whenever she feels like it, no medical reasons needed.)


In terms of removing the fetus from her body, the mother has a right to do that at any time for any reason. You have the absolute sayv over your body and the reasons to violate that are extremely few and far between.

I have no qualms about regulating the specific manner that it happens once the fetus reaches viability though. Like an 8 month birth is probably less risky than an 8 month abortion, but she will always retain the right to decide to remove another person from her body.
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Mar 5 2023 02:25pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 5 2023 03:01pm)
Until you develop consciousness you are an object, not a person.

After that, you have to have a claim to the woman's body, and you don't have that. There is no circumstance where I can be entitled to the medical use of another's body.


At what stage of development does a human have consciousness?

Do you consider people in a vegetative state or a coma to no longer qualify as human beings with rights?
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