Today three world leaders are giving rival speeches and geopolitical maneuvers

Joe Biden is giving a speech in Warsaw after his trip to Kiev, laying out how the Biden Administration will continue an uncapped supply of weaponry to Ukraine "for as long as it takes", announcing a new package of weaponry and another wave of sanctions on Russia.

Vladimir Putin just finished speaking in Moscow, declaring the Ukraine war to be existential to Russia, that the separatist regions annexed by Russia will be rebuilt and developed, and as of a few minutes ago, declaring that the new START nuclear treat with America to be suspended.
per the BBC;


Simultaneously, the top foreign policy minister of China, Wang Yi, has been on a tour concerned with the Ukraine War, visiting the Munich conference and Moscow
Wang Yi said that China will lay out a peace plan for Ukraine, with Xi Jinping set to give a speech on it come Saturday, with China to play a role as peace mediators.



I don't think anyone can claim with certainty where the world is headed in the next few months or years, but this is the kind of geopolitical posturing at a top level we see quite rarely. One for the history books, or just a footnote of the history books if nothing happens. After all, the most likely outcome for the Ukraine war is still the logic one, a peace deal upon status quo lines. But with Russia and the US both ready to escalate and China finally willing to throw its weight around, well this has all the drama of the Munich or Yalta conferences.

so far i think the US and russia have been somewhat reasonable to not provoke a full escalation

however the tv clown selensky, his government and ukranian nationalists dont mind triggering the next great war

dont forget how selensky lied about the missiles hitting polish soil and demanded NATO strikes against russia in response and who knows what some dipshit there is ready to do with the modern arms they demand from us

a small shithole country driving the world into a great war, where have i heard that one before?

Biden administration would only be feigning long term support then. I'm sure there would be ample short term, but domestic favor of war support across all political affiliations is down, at least when polling constituents in recent months. Hope US comes to a peace deal.


Around my backwater, opinion on support is all over the board. Some even say there isn't a war going on. Def not a unified people supporting our 'ally' Ukraine.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Feb 21 2023 06:47am

Topic tracked. Will give some input from my region ( I am from South East Asia ) point of view after some thoughts

But ? Butt ? Next time Russia will not do the same mistake ? And Han CCP, do you think they will provide weapons or even take the risk to smuggling ? In their mind their seat and their wallet worth more than the life of all their own citizen. They want stability.



This Zelensky is the perfect guy for this job, he could have flee far away with all family, he didn't. Now imagine what some decent human being could do for the freedom of millions others, not like Ukrainians forgot the Holodomor & co.

I have one rule for people: 1/3 are good, 1/3 are neutral, and 1/3 are cowards & fuckers.

Irrespective of this conflict in Ukraine, to my mind western countries will never be as prosperous over the next century as they were over the last 20 years (accepting 2008 and most recently covid ofc), noting global restrictions on trade, the rising emergence of Rival Super Powers to the US and the jockeying for dominion in regions. A minor clarification to post 1, Russia invaded Ukraine, an independent country and has committed war crimes. However it would be wrong to state that Russia is ready to escalate but rather it is ready to match what it perceives to be western aggression. If Russia were to escalate, it would look like invading another country.

Russia perceives it to be western aggression because Russia says its not an independent country, it was a democracy overthrown in a CIA coup and administered as a vichy regime by NATO, and has committed war crimes too.

Russia still has plenty of room for conventional escalation that doesn't involve either invading another country or going nuclear. The past few months have been a lead-up to this long expected spring Russian offensive, and we may see significantly stepped up attacks. Besides pouring in a more direct offense or doing another round of conscriptions, they may also get weapons from China, whether formally acknowledged or not. That's what Blinken is warning about right now, and if we're to believe the US talking points on geopolitics we'd can't just believe Ukraine is an independent democracy, we also have to believe China is threatening to ally with Russia to crush Ukraine. Which would align the world powers militarily against the US

I am still skeptical if the Chinese will provide weapons to Russia. I am not saying that hey won't. They might just do something really sneaky by sending their stuff to North Korea and get it stamped with Korean language and send it to Russia.
As a matter of fact, from the news that I heard from Taiwan about 3 hours ago. Wang Yi's speech in Munich also beseech all sides not to use any biological or chemical weapons. The Chinese must have gotten intelligence that sides involved in this war , may it be Russia, Ukraine ( US, NATO ) backed are preparing to use biological and chemical weapons.

Alright, let's post my take again in the correct thread:


I fully agree with this assessment. The issue is just that neither Russia nor Ukraine have any appetite for accepting the current status quo until further fighting has taken place. China can throw its weight around all it wants, as long as both Russia and Ukraine think they will be in a better position 6 or 12 months from now, diplomatic initiatives stand no chance.






If Russia credibly insisted that they feel legitimately threatened by said "next country", you would again excuse Russia's aggression using the exact same argument. "Okay, but the next time they invade a sovereign country, they will really have gone too far."

Fact of the matter is that the rest of the world has no reason to give any fucks about Russia's delusions or propaganda lies. Ukraine had no chance of being admitted into NATO anytime soon, given the ongoing military conflict in its eastern provinces which literally makes NATO ascension impossible according to NATO statutes. Furthermore, Russia still has thousands of nukes to deter any kind of land-based invasion of Russian heartland for which Ukraine might have served as a deployment zone. And last but not least, the closest distance for missiles from Ukraine to Moscow isn't any shorter than the distance from NATO member Estonia. Or the distance for Russian nukes from Kaliningrad to Berlin, for that matter.

Russia had no proper military, moral or economic justification for starting a war of this scope. "Parts of our former empire want to go in a different direction, and we still feel entitled to rule over them" is not an acceptable justification.
Note that in 2014, when they engaged in more measured operations on territory to which they have a stronger claim, the West let Russia get away with it. This time around, they went too far.

Agree with the first bold statement 100%.

Agree with the Second Bold statement 80-90%.