Hello. I was reading up on CIA's blacksites where they torture people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_black_sites

Now, I am not saying CIA also secretly tortures Americans. Although, the fact is none of us knows what they are truly up to. And the same is true about the FBI. In fact, none of these alphabet soup, federal-level agencies has transparency to any appreciable degree. And if we the people ask them questions or try to hold them accountable, they just hide behind "we cannot tell you more because this is a national security concern".

Let me ask you. If the feds hack into your computer, and assuming that you are not that good with computers, what can you do? If the feds illegally tap your phone line and monitor all you calls, what can you do? If the feds secretly follow you in real life, what can you do? If the feds that are watching you try to harass you in real life and generally make life a living hell for you, what can you do? If the feds open up a dossier on you, and they go and dig up your past, talk to anybody that you have ever known to find info on you, what can you do? If the feds send some mole to you to earn your trust and he then tries to influence you into committing a crime (known as entrapment), what can you do? It's shitty enough that they do this but what's worse is that feds operate from the shadow. They don't reveal their identity. You will know that you are being fucked with, but you have no legal recourse because you can't prove who is doing this to you. You will just get an inkling, a hunch, but the feds remain safe from legal censure and they can and will continue doing whatever they are doing to you.

I believe it's time that we start thinking about our relationship with the intelligence community. These agencies, we literally pay their livelihood. They are supposed to be working for us. But instead, they rule over us. They spy on us. They treat some of us as if they were criminals. They feel no need to explain themselves nor what they do. In fact, they see fit to hide what they do from us. They feel no moral qualms about keeping the public in the dark. And anytime we ask for any semblance of transparency, they say, "Sorry no. National security concern". And I am not saying that some of their work doesn't involve that, but this excuse is too broad, it allows them to conceal pretty much all aspects of their operations, even the ones that are morally questionable or sometimes even downright illegal. A lot of us simply assume that these agencies are working hard to protect us and our national interests. To that I will simply ask, how do you know that for sure? I bet you can't even begin to name one single federal agent. Yet you naively believe they work for our benefit. This is unbelievable in a very bad way. Another issue I want to bring up is how our tax money is being used against us. We are literally paying these feds salaries so they can keep watching us. Why do we allow this? Why do we have so little say over how our money is used?

Things need to change. Who's with me?

This post was edited by JessiWan on Dec 9 2022 11:20am

Just stop.

Enough of these let’s pretend to write reasonable questioning posts and then turn it into some lunatic crusade.

If you want to change the world, go get involved in it, stop sitting in your mum’s basement pounding a keyboard.

Lol, I can't believe you are still crying.

Since when a white supremracist & holocaust denier is arguing against "torture" ?

It's weird talking about a lack of transparency with the FBI when they've faced numerous investigations over their investigations of Hillary Clinton and Trump/Trump's campaign. Americans today know more about the internal machinations of the FBI than at any other time in our history.

All these three letter agencies have political appointees who run them. The man Trump appointed to run the FBI is still leading it under Biden. There's political accountability and transparency of these agencies.

You truly are a child

I don’t trust these organizations. But their methods are useful.
It wouldn’t hurt to learn from them.

The CIA has been murdering and torturing leftists for decades. Get with it.

That was good policy.

They likely do not have any reason to hack into your devices as they can easily monitor everything you do by making deals with the networks that operate the internet. They do not necessarily need permission under the patriot act and the CIA was already caught monitoring Google's private encrypted networks when Snowden leaked that information.



They would just do it legally. They can already legally monitor all the calls you make, but not the contents of the call. So they know who you called and when.



Nothing. They don't have to identify themselves and they won't comment on an investigation they are involved with.



If you aren't doing anything illegal, they're not going to do that. There's plenty of people who are definitely doing illegal things that they occupying their time with.



Nothing and if you are doing something illegal, it's a pretty safe bet that they will do that.



Again, if you aren't doing anything illegal then you can't get entrapped.



The "feds" can't do anything to you with out having a court case that is a matter if public record. They would have to charge you at a crime at some point, which is public record.



At some point they have to.



You're making stuff up.



Most of this paragraph is just rambling nonsense. What "the fed" does is perfectly legal. Don't break the law and they won't bother you.

I don't really understand the reason of your concern either. Are you a criminal or a terrorist that legitimately should be worried about these organizations?

This post was edited by mki on Dec 9 2022 12:56pm