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Oct 27 2022 05:19am
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html
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It was only 7 years ago in 2015 that Canada's supreme court made medically assisted suicide legal, and 2017 was the first year with less than 3000 takers, only 34 of them under the age of 45. Now the figures are rising to 3x that in each category, and Canada is seeking to expand its euthanasia program to include youth (not in asia). Come this March, the Canadian government (same one that crushed peaceful protests with martial law) is going to legalize euthanasia for 'mature minors' and the mentally ill. There's no federal definition for 'mature minors', not some Canadian emancipation threshold, and the program would require no parental consent or notification. Nor would it be reserved for cases of terminal illnesses, but allowed for cases of 'incurable depression'. The original 2015 court mandated that assisted suicide only apply for illnesses with "reasonably foreseeable deaths", but like all slippery slopes that rolled away within a few years and was amended by the government last year to the much lower criterion of showing a condition is 'intolerable to them' and 'could not be relieved under conditions they consider acceptable'. In other words, a physically healthy 15 year old could apply for an assisted suicide on grounds of being depressed.

An example case is the 23 year old Kiano Vafaeian, who was depressed for being diabetic, losing sight in one eye and having neither a job nor girlfriend. His condition wasn't terminal, and he had every opportunity to turn his life around if he put his mind to it, but was able to apply and be granted a medically assisted suicide in September. He was scheduled to die and the doctor lined up to abort his life 23 years too late, but his mother and sister managed to find out by sneaking onto his emails and had their story picked up by a catholic magazine, at which point the doctor scrubbed it;
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/23-year-old-canadian-mans-assisted-suicide-bid-thwarted-following-moms-social-media-campaign/
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Kiano said his parents insisted on speaking to his doctors and were not happy with the answers they were getting, and he believes that his refusal to allow them to speak with “the MAiD doctor who was going to administer the IV” frustrated them to the extent that they decided “to start social media campaigns, take matters into their own hands.”
On September 21, at 10 PM, Kiano said, his doctor phoned. He told the young man about all the hostile messages he had received thanks to his mother’s social media campaign and said that he was going to resign from his “care plan” and find the young man another “assessor” unless his mother relented.
“He said that there’s still a second assessor on board, and I’m going to have to find another assessor unless your mother decides to apologize, write, and promises to stop all social media campaigns as well as not take any legal action towards the doctor if and when Kiano decides to be euthanized,” Kiano told LifeSiteNews.
Marsilla, however, made it clear to both her son and the doctor that she would not even think of writing such a letter. Thus, Kiano tried to find someone else to support his euthanasia bid but, he said, was turned down by the “the central intake team.”
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The family say they believed there was “no way” Kiano would be approved for MAiD for having diabetes. Also, it is not yet legal to be accepted for MAiD for mental health issues.


That was a 23 year old with an actually debilitating medical condition, albeit a non-terminal one. Come this next year, the door will be open for angsty 15 year olds for cause of depression alone.
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Oct 27 2022 05:40am
You want murder to be legal?
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Oct 27 2022 05:44am
I don’t have an issue with assisted suicide, so long as the decision comes from the person who’ll be dying. However they should obviously have access to whatever mental health services they may need before they reach a final decision. I don’t think minors should be allowed to apply for assisted suicide, no matter how "mature" they are. Once they’re adults though, I’d rather see people choosing assisted suicide than shotgun-to-the-face in mom’s basement for the whole family to find.
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Oct 27 2022 05:56am
Quote (Chainsaw47 @ Oct 27 2022 06:44am)
I don’t have an issue with assisted suicide, so long as the decision comes from the person who’ll be dying. However they should obviously have access to whatever mental health services they may need before they reach a final decision. I don’t think minors should be allowed to apply for assisted suicide, no matter how "mature" they are. Once they’re adults though, I’d rather see people choosing assisted suicide than shotgun-to-the-face in mom’s basement for the whole family to find.


I'd like to imagine physicians abiding by the principle of 'first do no harm'. Of those people who do not have incurable terminal illnesses, those that attempt but fail at suicide regret it and do not attempt it again in over 90% of cases. We as a society have chosen not to allow people to make personal decisions about drug use because we recognize the personal and collective harm they pose against the vanity of their non-benefit. Its likewise with suicide. Like the abortion debate, its a fundamental question of both the value and definition of a human life. If someone has an incurable and painful and expensive terminal illness like stage IV cancer, does their life have value, do they have the potential to live? But someone who is 15 years old and depressed because pop culture has bombarded them with psychologically tormenting depictions of unrealistic lifestyles and existential angst, do they have potential to turn their life around and become a productive member of society? Of course. But not if we slit their wrists for them
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Oct 27 2022 06:02am
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 27 2022 07:56am)
I'd like to imagine physicians abiding by the principle of 'first do no harm'. Of those people who do not have incurable terminal illnesses, those that attempt but fail at suicide regret it and do not attempt it again in over 90% of cases. We as a society have chosen not to allow people to make personal decisions about drug use because we recognize the personal and collective harm they pose against the vanity of their non-benefit. Its likewise with suicide. Like the abortion debate, its a fundamental question of both the value and definition of a human life. If someone has an incurable and painful and expensive terminal illness like stage IV cancer, does their life have value, do they have the potential to live? But someone who is 15 years old and depressed because pop culture has bombarded them with psychologically tormenting depictions of unrealistic lifestyles and existential angst, do they have potential to turn their life around and become a productive member of society? Of course. But not if we slit their wrists for them



That’s why I don’t think minors should be making a decision like this. On the whole subject of the value of life it gets very tricky as the person looking for assisted suicide as an option obviously came to the conclusion that their life has no value or that it’s value (positive aspects) are greatly outweighted by all the negative. Mandatory meetings with a mental health professional should be required, just as it is for abortion.

I don’t think I have the moral high ground to tell someone to go on living if they don’t want to.
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Oct 27 2022 09:18am
Population Control, Keeps the numbers lower.
If every single baby that was born lived, what would that population growth graph look like?
We can imagine it.

This post was edited by Mondain on Oct 27 2022 09:19am
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Oct 27 2022 10:02am


I'm for euthanasia... 100%
It's way over due. This drag out life no matter how much it sucks is ridiculous.

We don't even treat our pets that way.
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Oct 27 2022 10:16am
its a shame there are so few frozen winter woods for these people to just walk into anymore.
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Oct 29 2022 11:25pm
People should always retain the right over their own life, which includes the right to end that life. Why we would want to make it cumbersome or even illegal to do so is beyond me.
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Oct 29 2022 11:26pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 27 2022 09:02am)
I'm for euthanasia... 100%
It's way over due. This drag out life no matter how much it sucks is ridiculous.

We don't even treat our pets that way.


Holy shit it's 10:25PM in California on Saturday, October 29th 2022 and this is the first time in history I have ever agreed with one of your posts. This is incredible man. A huge reminder of the importance of empathy. We are all connected and have the capacity for agreement, no matter what.
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