with too much politics these days i think we need a moral question instead.

(this is not a legal question, obviously it's illegal. and i'm not asking if it should be legal or illegal, just asking if it's moral)

If you have a family member who's severely addicted to drugs, like think hardly recognizable, homeless living on the streets, "beyond help".

Is it moral to kidnap them, lock them in a room in your house, and force them to detox?

and let's assume their detox is confirmed non-fatal, so nothing that will kill them just cause suffering.

I dont have any family or friends in this state, but have long though that this is what i'd do. just make a prison cell in my basement and keep them there fed and healthy for a month or so. long enough to detox and hopefully avoid an instant relapse.

I like and agree with the sentiment.
But you can't help someone who won't help themselves.
They will only seek to take advantage.

Your heart is in the right place. Your head is not. It is not moral to kidnap someone and you are superimposing your judgement for theirs. People in such states are extremely likely to relapse in the first place. They really have to want out of their situation to get anything done.

No. Medical autonomy is important as a right. You don't get to detox somebody against their will even if it's "safe".

If they agree to it and sign up for a program that allows them to be kept for a certain period then I don't think that's an issue even if they change their mind half way through. Detox is stressful and they signed up for it and they're safe after all. But you need that initial consent.

i dont see a severely homeless addict person's ability to consent as any different than a minor's ability to consent to sex with an adult. their brain chemistry simply can't be trusted.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 9 2022 10:55am

obviously yes it's ok. it worked for samuel L in black snake moan.

I don't have family members in such condition bur I agree they should be forced to detox + lengthy rehabilitation to prevent them falling back into their old habits.

IMO rehabilitation should include housing and work under strict supervision for quite some time.

Can't see this happening though, "progressive" leftist prefer to hand out free dope, food etc.

the left currently is the only party pushing for increased access to rehab.

there are 2 issues at play here, 1 safety for users to avoid accidental overdoses and malnutrition, 2 increased help if addicts decide to get help.

but thats all ill post on that because this topic isnt meant to be political, rather on the morality.

CA is literally throwing billions at the problem it's all going down the drain. Addicts don't care anymore it's out of control. They openly use and take a dump on the street while the cops are watching.

California is currently like a flame to addict moths, most big cities in each state are the same way. homeless addicts migrate there, they move wherever the most money is and get to begging. there are tent cities in ever blue, purple, and red state. none have been very effective at managing the issue.