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Aug 31 2022 02:23am
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A secondary school has secured a temporary High Court injunction preventing a teacher who opposes addressing a student with the pronoun "they" from either attending at its premises or from teaching any classes at the school while he remains suspended from his position. The injunction was secured, on an ex-parte basis, by the Board of Management of Wilson's Hospital School in Co Westmeath against Enoch Burke, who the court was told is currently on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an ongoing disciplinary process. He has not been sanctioned and no finding has been made against him by the school.

His suspension arises from alleged conduct after he publicly voiced his objections to the school's request to address one of its students, who wishes to transition, using the pronoun "they" and by a different name. The school claims that despite its decision to suspend him, made at a meeting he attended with his sister Ammi earlier this month, he has attended at the school's campus in recent days, Ms Justice Siobhán Stack was told today. The school, represented in court by Rosemary Mallon instructed by Mason, Hayes and Curran solicitors, sought the injunction because it fears the teacher's refusal to abide by the terms of its decision may be very disruptive. Counsel said that Mr Burke, who is from Co Mayo, was placed on administrative leave pending the completion of a disciplinary process into allegations of wrongdoing against him. The process arose after the teacher objected to a request by the school, based on a request from a student and their parents, earlier this year to address a student, who wishes to transition, by a different name and to use the pronoun "they" rather than "he or she".

Mr Burke, it is claimed, objected to this; has questioned the school's position; says that a belief system is being forced on students; and claims that the school's request amounts to a breach of constitutional rights. The school denied to Mr Burke in correspondence that anyone is being "forced" to do anything. The school said that it is focusing on the needs and welfare of its students and is affirming its policy in accordance with the 2000 Equal Status Act of not discriminating against any student. It said it has acknowledged Mr Burke's religious beliefs but expects him to communicate with the student in accordance with the students' and their parents' wishes. The school claims that last June a service and dinner was held to mark the school's 260th anniversary. It was attended by clergy, staff, past and present pupils, parents, and board members.

It is claimed that Mr Burke interrupted the service and said that the school's principal, Niamh McShane, should withdraw the earlier demand regarding the transitioning of the student, that he could not agree with transgenderism, and said it went against the school's ethos and the teaching of the Church of Ireland. The school claims that after he spoke members of the congregation and students walked out of the school chapel. It is claimed that at the follow-up dinner Mr Burke did not sit at any table. After the meal, he is alleged to have approached the principal, and again asked her to withdraw the request regarding the student. The school claims that she said she would speak to Mr Burke at an appropriate time and place, and walked away from him. It is claimed that he continued to follow her and questioned her loudly. Other people stood between them to prevent the continuation of his questioning, it is further claimed. The school, located in Multyfarnham, Co Westmeath, is the Church of Ireland's Diocesan School for Meath and Kildare.

Arising out of Mr Burke's alleged conduct, a disciplinary process was commenced. It was considered by the board, resulting in a decision to place him on administrative leave pending the outcome of the process. The next stage of the process is due to take place in mid-September, counsel said. However, despite being placed on administrative leave, which Mr Burke has described as being unreasonable, unjust and unlawful, the school claims that he has attended at the school. When approached by a senior staff member at the school, Mr Burke said that "I am here to work" and "I am here to attend a meeting". The school fears that despite its decision, Mr Burke will continue to try to teach his classes. It is alleged that if the complaints against Mr Burke are upheld, his presence at the school could adversely affect the school. A substitute teacher has been hired to teach his classes while he remains suspended, the court heard. Any attempt by Mr Burke to teach those classes may have a negative impact on the students in those classes at the start of the academic year, the school fears.

Ms Justice Stack granted the interim injunction restraining Mr Burke from attending at the school's premises or from teaching any classes or students at Wilson's Hospital while he remains on paid administrative leave. The judge said the temporary injunction is to remain in place until the matter returns before the court next week. Any request to extend the order can be made to the judge at the next hearing date, the judge added.

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so just a quick question here, what are the religious beliefs around all this he/she/they and transgenderism ?
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Anyone who isn’t a nut job yet knows God made man in his image and made woman from man. Only these privileged cowards don’t abide by this now because they have such a high level of affluence. Unfortunately, all this woke nonsense is invading the church because as usual too much affluence and not an ounce of courage
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Aug 31 2022 04:49am
Quote (Duckling @ Aug 31 2022 05:32am)
Anyone who isn’t a nut job yet knows God made man in his image and made woman from man. Only these privileged cowards don’t abide by this now because they have such a high level of affluence. Unfortunately, all this woke nonsense is invading the church because as usual too much affluence and not an ounce of courage


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Aug 31 2022 05:20am
Quote (Duckling @ Aug 31 2022 11:32am)
Anyone who isn’t a nut job yet knows God made man in his image and made woman from man. Only these privileged cowards don’t abide by this now because they have such a high level of affluence. Unfortunately, all this woke nonsense is invading the church because as usual too much affluence and not an ounce of courage


I am trying to understand what you just said. so when a human seeks to switch genders, it may be deemed an affront against the power of divinity because only divinity can create ? i guess this is another strike against jurassic park.
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Aug 31 2022 06:08am
Quote (ferdia @ Aug 31 2022 01:20pm)
I am trying to understand what you just said. so when a human seeks to switch genders, it may be deemed an affront against the power of divinity because only divinity can create ? i guess this is another strike against jurassic park.


I am against any kids switching gender. Kids are kids because they aren't aware of the consequences of their decisions. That's what you have parents for. If parents fail then there are state laws. No underage should be allowed to transition. The consequences are more grave than buying cigarettes or alcohol which is also allowed after 18+ years. I am not discussing from a religious or political POV, just common sense.
That teacher is doing his job and is being punished for it.


More clown world here:
https://nypost.com/2022/08/24/10-year-old-trans-model-noella-mcmaher-already-a-nyfw-runway-vet/

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I am against any kids switching gender. Kids are kids because they aren't aware of the consequences of their decisions. That's what you have parents for. If parents fail then there are state laws. No underage should be allowed to transition. The consequences are more grave than buying cigarettes or alcohol which is also allowed after 18+ years. I am not discussing from a religious or political POV, just common sense.
That teacher is doing his job and is being punished for it.


More clown world here:
https://nypost.com/2022/08/24/10-year-old-trans-model-noella-mcmaher-already-a-nyfw-runway-vet/



the biggest takeaway for me was the 2.4.3 ww ias calculator. i think this particular topic, especially after having read that link you provided, is not for me.
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Quote (ferdia @ Aug 31 2022 02:31pm)
the biggest takeaway for me was the 2.4.3 ww ias calculator. i think this particular topic, especially after having read that link you provided, is not for me.

But that's the core of the problem. Your article deals with the symptoms (the wish to transition and being called by a pronoun) but not with the real problem why an adolescent is allowed to "transition"? If we addressed the core problem we wouldn't have the teacher problem at hand. The practical side which no one talks about is students of that teacher don't get education in the time he is suspended while he is still being paid which means the funds are bound to him you can't just hire a new person. Is it worth it for a they/them conflict of interests? If that wish to be trans person is so tolerant why can't he deal with a single person opposing to the idea by just ignoring him?

Here, a more detailed non biased bbc interview:
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51806011

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Clown world isn't a myth. It's real and growing
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Aug 31 2022 06:53am
Everyone they sucker into this bs, is another person who will never have kids.
That's the point.
They will never come out and say this though.
Deductive reasoning skills are required.
Do you have any?
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Aug 31 2022 06:55am
Quote (ferdia @ Aug 31 2022 07:20am)
I am trying to understand what you just said. so when a human seeks to switch genders, it may be deemed an affront against the power of divinity because only divinity can create ? i guess this is another strike against jurassic park.


You can't switch genders. God doesn't make mistakes.

Everyone will always be what they biologically are.

I'm happy this teacher is taking a stand against it, which everyone should.

It's a mental disability that shouldn't be fed into.
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