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Aug 28 2022 08:53am
Can someone pls explain if gender is equal (or not equal) to sex?

If these are two different things could someone pls think of his native (non english) language and explain how gender is translated? IF it’s translated to the same word/equivalent word of sex, how can both gender and sex can be explained by one single word, if they are two different things?

Pls help

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Aug 28 2022 08:59am
Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed.
Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

The meaning of certain words can evolve over time and their use can be adjusted based on societal views and norms.

Changing your "preferred" gender does not change your biological sex. These things are apples to oranges.
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Aug 28 2022 09:19am
Quote (iBruno @ Aug 28 2022 04:59pm)
Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed.
Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

The meaning of certain words can evolve over time and their use can be adjusted based on societal views and norms.

Changing your "preferred" gender does not change your biological sex. These things are apples to oranges.



Thanks. So the meaning of the word gender is not equal to the meaning of the word sex, correct?

If a non-English language does have only one word for sex and the concept of gender didn’t exist and originate from that language (which it most likely can’t since it’s from US/NZ), it needs a equivalent word for gender, right? Otherwise biology would be mixed with a societal concept.
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Thanks. So the meaning of the word gender is not equal to the meaning of the word sex, correct?

If a non-English language does have only one word for sex and the concept of gender didn’t exist and originate from that language (which it most likely can’t since it’s from US/NZ), it needs a equivalent word for gender, right? Otherwise biology would be mixed with a societal concept.


For the sake of "making things less confusing", it would be great to have different words instead of just adapting an already existing term that has served a different meaning in the past.

In practice, it is what it is... A word having multiple different meanings is not particularly rare or unheard of in many lenguages.

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Just to name a few as an example. They have multiple meaning and even get pronounced differently sometimes even tho its the EXACT SAME GODDAM WORD.
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Aug 28 2022 05:09pm
"Sex" often refers to things of biological connection, such as chromosomes, genes, hormones, and primary/secondary sex characteristics.

"Gender" is a social construct that is often-times closely connected to a culture's understanding of sex, and will typically involve descriptions of appearance, attitude, societal role, disposition, ability, and in some cases rights.
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Quote (iBruno @ Aug 28 2022 07:51pm)
For the sake of "making things less confusing", it would be great to have different words instead of just adapting an already existing term that has served a different meaning in the past.

In practice, it is what it is... A word having multiple different meanings is not particularly rare or unheard of in many lenguages.

Desert
Bat
Fair
Lie
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Refuse
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Just to name a few as an example. They have multiple meaning and even get pronounced differently sometimes even tho its the EXACT SAME GODDAM WORD.


Sorry I’m not a native speaker: do all the 8 words mean the same thing??? I’m even more confused now.

EDIT: NEVERMIND…. I got it now. But still one still understands the difference very clearly in the context, which is 100% not the case in the topics about gender/sex. It like saying „you lie“ but the underlying meaning is „you say the truth“. That’s not how proper communication functions.

I kinda get the idea that a meaning of a word can change over a very long period of time but how can something that described a d**k or v***na now describe a belief/value/societal system (non-english)?

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"Sex" often refers to things of biological connection, such as chromosomes, genes, hormones, and primary/secondary sex characteristics.

"Gender" is a social construct that is often-times closely connected to a culture's understanding of sex, and will typically involve descriptions of appearance, attitude, societal role, disposition, ability, and in some cases rights.


Thanks. It’s great that there are two different terms in English for these two different things.

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A dude is always a dude.
Same for wamen.
No one can change this fact.

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Aug 29 2022 06:16am
Words are just tools to express concepts. The concepts don't change when the words change. Adding new and contradictory-but-similar definitions to words doesn't invalidate the concepts they used to express or support the new concept. Sex and gender have been synonyms for most of the history of both words, now gender is being redefined and there's no reason to expect sex won't be similarly redefined.
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Words are just tools to express concepts. The concepts don't change when the words change. Adding new and contradictory-but-similar definitions to words doesn't invalidate the concepts they used to express or support the new concept. Sex and gender have been synonyms for most of the history of both words, now gender is being redefined and there's no reason to expect sex won't be similarly redefined.


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Quote (Impy @ Aug 29 2022 07:06am)
Sorry I’m not a native speaker: do all the 8 words mean the same thing??? I’m even more confused now.

EDIT: NEVERMIND…. I got it now. But still one still understands the difference very clearly in the context, which is 100% not the case in the topics about gender/sex. It like saying „you lie“ but the underlying meaning is „you say the truth“. That’s not how proper communication functions.

I kinda get the idea that a meaning of a word can change over a very long period of time but how can something that described a d**k or v***na now describe a belief/value/societal system (non-english)?



Thanks. It’s great that there are two different terms in English for these two different things.



They are not two different terms though. A very small pool of thoughts control almost 100% of what you see from the US. They try to force the idea that (insert all the preceding gobbledygook) is a popular belief in the US, where in the real world most normal American citizens outright reject this.

This is not, and I repeat this is not how most Americans feel.
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