Hello. Apparently, both sides feel very strongly and are unwilling to make concessions. So I tried hard and came up with something that I hope might be able to satisfy both sides.

My proposal: why don't we mandate by law that abortion providers have to tell the woman seeking abortion that what she is considering doing is the murder of her own young? If she still decides to go ahead with it, no problem. This way, woman's bodily autonomy is upheld. And women who see nothing wrong with murdering her young don't give birth, whereas women who have the morality in them to not murder their unborn have their genes passed on. This is good for our gene pool.

I personally believe that abortion is indeed murder, however, it's a very special sub-type of murder. The entity being murdered is usually incapable of feeling pain. It doesn't have family or friends who would be hurt by its death. Pretty much all of the societal and psychological impacts of murder do not apply in the case of abortion.

I know that it's bad and unethical that some women choose to have abortion for trivial reasons. For example, they don't want to sacrifice their careers, or "it's not the right time". However, I feel that forcing women to have a child that they don't want really does more harm than good. The child that would be born will most likely not receive adequate love and care. He/she might live a very financially deprived life. I feel that we shouldn't just bring life into the world for the sake of it. We should consider whether life would be worth living for the children that we insist on having.

Thanks for reading.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 4 2022 03:52pm

the ruling wont change anything for blue states no matter how hard leftists try pretend otherwise to rile up their base

they will still abort children with both hands

hello. "i personally believe" you posting here is armed robbery. doesn't make it true though.

i too have a proposal: how about every time you want to buy fast food or cigarettes, the person behind the counter asks you "are you aware that you're killing yourself, the planet, and being a burden on society, you fat irresponsible fuck?", and if you agree and still want to go ahead, no problem.

or we just drop whole government intrusion part and settle on this: if you truly believe abortion is so bad, just don't have one? pretty simple, right?
i mean, there are ways to fight abortions politically without authoritarian measures: if you really really care about it, vote for people who support policies that decrease the need for abortions, like proper sex ed and affordable healthcare.

thanks for reading.

They do that already in several states, the health care workers try to convince them not to. I want more abortions. Wish other conservatives could get it that we can depopulate the left for nearly free. You wanna take this country back? Stop scum for procreating. Problem solves itself. Sounds cold but in nature most predators specifically look for babies to eat. Less scum, less abortions later and eventually it’ll be rare enough to legislate further action. It’s an absolute necessity in our nation right now. Breeding more criminals isn’t the answer. Life is tough wear a helmet and clean it out.

But abortion is indeed murder. You are intentionally ending a human life. How is this not murder?



But those things are not on par with abortion. Abortion is literally murder, and pro-lifers feel very strongly about it, so I tried to come up with a solution that they might be satisfied with. Your "solution" is to make abortion widely available to all, which only satisfies yourself and those on your side but does literally nothing for the pro-lifers. At least I am trying to come up with something that is palatable to both sides.


This is like saying, if you truly believe murder is wrong, just choose to not murder people yourself.

Abortion is not simply a matter of choice for women. There is another entity in the equation, namely the unborn. You apparently think murdering the unborn is fine, but some people disagree.


You don't get to tell other people how they should fight for the things they believe in.



Lol, you are a copy-cat.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 4 2022 04:18pm

For the record I dated a girl once and we decided to have an abortion after she changed birth controls and didn’t tell me she had a several week gap without it. Best $700 I ever spent, this woman hid her crazy alcoholism from me. Turned out in my 2 hour drive to her home after my 12 hour shift she would sometimes down a whole bottle of jack before I showed up. Definitely would’ve produced fetal alcohol syndrome and the child would’ve either died before 5 or had severe long term chronic health issues. Nope not doing that.

that was a vile micro agression from that colonizer

it is not though. you're making an emotional, not a legal argument. you're using emotional terms, not legal definitions. i thought i illustrated that with my example, but there you go, that's the crayon version.



wdym? my solution is PERFECT for both sides. people who oppose abortions can really really really fiercely NOT EVER have a single one, even if they were raped by their own father for decades. i am 100% in favour of granting them EVERY opportunity to have that baby. just because i "strongly feel" that's just wrong, i have NO right whatsoever to tell that women to get an abortion. all i'm asking in return is that they don't tell OTHER people what to do. if that's not palatable to them, THEY are in the wrong, and don't value freedom and human rights.



EXACTLY my point! strange how you only seem to see that from one side though. simply make it a principle for both sides, and we have an agreement: i don't get to determine how they live their lives, and they don't get to determine how others do. it really isn't that complicated, lol.



couldn't help it, your rhetoric prowess is too great not to imitate.

This thread does bring up a massive downside of protecting the genetics of evil people. I'm convinced, slaughter em and sell their parts for skin products

How is it not?

What is your definition of murder? And before you say anything that's blatantly copied off of wikipedia, I just want to remind you that legality is not relevant in the definition of murder.



I don't care if you think I am making an "emotional" argument. Your opinion is worthless to me. I do, however, want to know how you structure your argument. I want to hear why you think the intentional ending of human life is not murder.



People should stop murder from happening though.



Do you think society telling us not to murder people is also telling us what to do?



Telling women that they cannot murder the unborn is not simply "telling others what to do". Everybody has the moral obligation to stop murder when they see it happen.

You only see things from the woman's perspective. You think they get to make a choice and that the pro-lifers are being evil for telling them they cant. You fail to see things from the perspective of the unborn, which really isn't surprising to me, cause lefties like you have simplistic views on things.



Sounds like I have a new fan!