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Collusion & conspiracy against Bernie Sanders by corrupt corporatists of the DNC during the last Democratic Presidential Primary is still fresh on peoples minds.

Several Dem. primary candidates (Rat-faced Pete Buttjudge & Amy Klobuchar) participated in a QUID-PRO-QUO scenario with the DNC & Biden team, stepped down from the race and endorsed Biden in return for favorability in the corporatist wing of the DNC.

Buttjudge received a spot in the administration, Klobuchar was named ranking member of the Senate Rules Committee.


Is collusion of such kind - bad or ackshually good ?

Is QUID PRO QUO ok when corporatists do it like this?

Was another Primary stolen from Bernie Sanders, or not ?

This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Dec 29 2021 06:33pm
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Dec 29 2021 06:32pm
No.

If the DNC hadn't tipped the scales, Bernie would still have lost the 2016 primary, but by a very tiny margin, and Hillary would have gone into the general as damaged goods.

In 2020, he was weaker than in 2016 and only looked strong for a week or so after the Nevada caucus because he was running against an extremely fractured field. The DNC and party elites did indeed interfere to consolidate the non-progressive majority of the party behind one candidate, Biden, but that does not mean that they screwed Bernie. Unlike four years earlier, Bernie got absolutely crushed once the rest of the party was united behind a single person.
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Dec 29 2021 06:37pm
Your only thread in months that isnt raging about black people still isnt a good one.
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Quote (Sh00p @ Dec 30 2021 02:37am)
Your only thread in months that isnt raging about black people still isnt a good one.


Indians aren't black

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Dec 29 2021 06:44pm
Ask Mike lindell
I only trust stolen election info that comes from a pillow salesman
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Ask Mike lindell
I only trust stolen election info that comes from a pillow salesman


give me an update on his latest situation
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Dec 30 2021 03:12am
Political primaries are not sanctioned constitutional events. The parties are not legally bound to do anything. They can throw out the results at the last second and nominate anyone they want.
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Dec 30 2021 04:02am
Did they massively favor Hillary and then Biden and manipulate the rules in their favor?

Yes

Did they steal it?

No

They didn't like, go in and change votes. They used underhanded politics, but they didn't steal it.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 29 2021 06:32pm)
No.

If the DNC hadn't tipped the scales, Bernie would still have lost the 2016 primary, but by a very tiny margin, and Hillary would have gone into the general as damaged goods.

In 2020, he was weaker than in 2016 and only looked strong for a week or so after the Nevada caucus because he was running against an extremely fractured field. The DNC and party elites did indeed interfere to consolidate the non-progressive majority of the party behind one candidate, Biden, but that does not mean that they screwed Bernie. Unlike four years earlier, Bernie got absolutely crushed once the rest of the party was united behind a single person.


But the field didn't organically consolidate around one person. They coordinated the field to drop and all endorse Biden at around the same time to stop Bernie's momentum. This isn't like Bernie just lost on merit. There was just as much if not more underhanded shit in 2020.

Also in 2016 they pulled some real underhanded shit. Bill specifically visited Bernie-favored areas and blocked traffic with his appearances to reduce turnout in ways he didn't do in Hillary favored areas when he visited. They really pulled all the stops in 2016.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Dec 30 2021 04:05am
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But the field didn't organically consolidate around one person. They coordinated the field to drop and all endorse Biden at around the same time to stop Bernie's momentum. This isn't like Bernie just lost on merit. There was just as much if not more underhanded shit in 2020.

Also in 2016 they pulled some real underhanded shit. Bill specifically visited Bernie-favored areas and blocked traffic with his appearances to reduce turnout in ways he didn't do in Hillary favored areas when he visited. They really pulled all the stops in 2016.


Sure, the party elites manufactured the consolidation of the non-progressives around Biden. I said as much. This does not, however, explain why Bernie was unable to consolidate the progressive vote earlier, nor does it explain why he was getting crushed once the race had essentially become a head-to-head between him and Biden. (Particularly considering the fact that he was able to hold his ground in a similar 1on1 situation against Hillary 4 years earlier.)


2016 was a disgrace, I'm with you on that one. Hillary would imho still have won without these underhanded tactics, but by a margin of something like 52-48 or so, which would have seen her limp into the general as damaged goods.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 30 2021 04:24am
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