https://globalnews.ca/news/7605465/biden-drops-global-gag-rule-trump/amp/

Its 2021 and we still have anti abortion groups in an overpopulated world. I'm actually anti abortion myself in so far as i view the clump of cells at the heart of this debate as human life that should not be killed but I don't think my personal beliefs are sufficient grounds for denying a woman autonomy over her own body. denying access to safe abortions would just create a back alley medical nightmare for women who don't wish to have children they aren't ready for. That aside human life isn't very valuable anyway and it shows in our actions as a society.

Where do our resident pardians stand on abortion?

pro choice, anti abortion.

As a practicing Catholic, the church teaching is that abortion is a grave moral evil, and Catholics should not support the legality of it. This especially includes government officials.

Catholics aren't supposed to vote for pro-abortion candidates unless they have a genuine belief that there are comparable evils on the other side. Trump passed that test with flying colors. Still, Biden's support for abortion is the worst aspect of his presidency.

I'm 200% for abortion. It save lot of problems with parents who don't want to raise their kids. Just look around on pARD and you'll want Abortion.

i think you will find that almost no one, except from some desperate edgelords maybe, is actually a 'fan' of abortions, as in positively rooting for women to undergo that procedure out of some kind of sick pleasure. people on the pro choice side largely just share your opinion that it's not a valid reason to deny women bodily autonomy.
religious superiority complexes ideally should not manifest in legislation, and from a practical point of view, it's not even a very effective way of 'protecting children', or whatever those anti-choice nutjobs delude themselves into believing they're doing. comprehensive sex education and access to healthcare, contraceptives, and family planning is the way to go - as proven time and again in the rest of the civilised world, where social development on that issue is much further progressed than in america.

Why is welfare legal if we want less poor births?

Societal safety nets are a separate matter from abortion.

Abortion is paid for by net tax payers like me

Thats why people like you will be the first thrown out the window when the worker takes back what is theirs

My position is that a fetus is not a person before it has brain activity (~23 weeks)

and that even after 23 weeks the fetus doesn't necessarily have a right to the mother's body

and even if it does have a right to the mother's body it doesn't necessarily trump the mother's right to bodily autonomy

and even if it does trump the mother's right to bodily autonomy we can't really regulate it in a way that doesn't cause worse outcomes on the whole.



So basically I see the issue as a big chain of issues, none of which the anti-abortion crowd have convinced me on. If we want to make abortion illegal they need to start with the fetus being a person, and a person that's never had a brain can never be a person in my opinion.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 29 2021 12:41pm

context:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/10/02/are-american-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion/?sh=2c600fb96a4b

so depending on your state that's overstated. im sure places like Cali and NY hold up the average big time. Federally only 6.6% is funded, that's only the cost of like 2 tiny fingers.





gotta say reading that bolded made me cringe really hard man...

homes and healthcare are a natural right, but an incubator you're literally created in isn't. even tho said creation is without your consent.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 29 2021 12:41pm