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Jan 7 2021 01:07am
Why are people so focused on the left being bad??? What about the Right???
It is historically proven that the far right has been much worse than the far left.

People who voted for Bernie Sanders and wanted universal heath care for all Americans were told this would bring America socialist tyranny. And yet it is Trumpism that has convinced followers that all the judges in over sixty lawsuits that rejected voter fraud claims were traitors. The US Supreme Court are traitors. The man Trump appointed himself as head of cybersecurity, that said this was a secured election, is a traitor. William Bar, former Attorney General of Trump is now a traitor. And even loyal Trump supporter Vice President Mike Pence, that refused to do something he legally has no right to do, is now a traitor. I suppose now most Republican leadership are all considered traitors. I’m sure soon we will hear that all of these men are secret Communists.

I just want to point out that in the Western World authoritarianism has almost exclusively came from the political right. Before WWI the so-called international socialists all kowtowed to the nationalists and voted to support the war that helped destroy a good chunk of Western Civilization.
Then in Spain the right-wing anti-Socialist Franco took power as dictator. Mussolini started as a Socialist but then became an anti-Socialist nationalist creating fascism. Hitler followed suit in Germany and blamed Jews for Communism. When the Nazis occupied a huge part of France the French conservative nationalist Marshal Pétain became dictator and justified his treacherous collaboration with invading Nazi Germany as a way to safeguard France from Communists. Portugal had the dictator Salazar in power for forty years and he stated, “Now obviously our dictator ship is similar to the Fascist dictatorship in its strengthening of authority, in the war which it declares on certain democratic principles, in its nationalist character, in its maintenance of the social order.”

WWII was started by and made by the anti-Communist far-right. The Communists and Socialists all fought against these dictatorships. And after WWII only the Portuguese Communists ever fought stepping down after losing elections.
In the US the Communist Party was never much over 75,000 members. The KKK at one time reached about 4 million (some estimate much higher). But here we are with a US President that once made a Tweet from Mussolini and stated infamously “I could ... shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters.” And some of you worry about Communists?

I forgot to mention the US Civil War. As Texas stated “Hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery,” and “proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. ” These were not proclamations coming from Socialists.

This is a long way of me saying history shows what political trends have been the real threat to democracy in the Western World. And we just watched another example of it.
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Jan 7 2021 01:15am
the only people focused on the left being bad are trolls that simply want someone to write an essay about it.
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Jan 7 2021 01:17am
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Why are people so focused on the left being bad??? What about the Right???
It is historically proven that the far right has been much worse than the far left.

People who voted for Bernie Sanders and wanted universal heath care for all Americans were told this would bring America socialist tyranny. And yet it is Trumpism that has convinced followers that all the judges in over sixty lawsuits that rejected voter fraud claims were traitors. The US Supreme Court are traitors. The man Trump appointed himself as head of cybersecurity, that said this was a secured election, is a traitor. William Bar, former Attorney General of Trump is now a traitor. And even loyal Trump supporter Vice President Mike Pence, that refused to do something he legally has no right to do, is now a traitor. I suppose now most Republican leadership are all considered traitors. I’m sure soon we will hear that all of these men are secret Communists.

I just want to point out that in the Western World authoritarianism has almost exclusively came from the political right. Before WWI the so-called international socialists all kowtowed to the nationalists and voted to support the war that helped destroy a good chunk of Western Civilization.
Then in Spain the right-wing anti-Socialist Franco took power as dictator. Mussolini started as a Socialist but then became an anti-Socialist nationalist creating fascism. Hitler followed suit in Germany and blamed Jews for Communism. When the Nazis occupied a huge part of France the French conservative nationalist Marshal Pétain became dictator and justified his treacherous collaboration with invading Nazi Germany as a way to safeguard France from Communists. Portugal had the dictator Salazar in power for forty years and he stated, “Now obviously our dictator ship is similar to the Fascist dictatorship in its strengthening of authority, in the war which it declares on certain democratic principles, in its nationalist character, in its maintenance of the social order.”

WWII was started by and made by the anti-Communist far-right. The Communists and Socialists all fought against these dictatorships. And after WWII only the Portuguese Communists ever fought stepping down after losing elections.
In the US the Communist Party was never much over 75,000 members. The KKK at one time reached about 4 million (some estimate much higher). But here we are with a US President that once made a Tweet from Mussolini and stated infamously “I could ... shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters.” And some of you worry about Communists?

I forgot to mention the US Civil War. As Texas stated “Hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery,” and “proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. ” These were not proclamations coming from Socialists.

This is a long way of me saying history shows what political trends have been the real threat to democracy in the Western World. And we just watched another example of it.


Stalin and Mao dwarf those death totals on their own with no assistance. It is a matter of record. Socialism has caused more deaths than any other ideology in the history of the human race.
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Jan 7 2021 01:20am
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Why are people so focused on the left being bad??? What about the Right???

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There is an overemphasis on imaginary nazis while socialists walk into office and tear apart cities.

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It is historically proven that the far right has been much worse than the far left.

A wildly inaccurate and ignorant view of history.

You really should research the history of communism and socialism. The death and suffering caused is unbelievably horrible and vast.


Its becoming very clear that you don't actually support American values or republicanism, but were merely using them as buzzwords to justify your support of democrats and leftism.
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Jan 7 2021 01:21am
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Stalin and Mao dwarf those death totals on their own with no assistance. It is a matter of record. Socialism has caused more deaths than any other ideology in the history of the human race.


We dont know for sure whether or not Socialism has caused more deaths. What we do know are the outcomes of WWI, WWII and Civil War.
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Jan 7 2021 01:26am
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There is an overemphasis on imaginary nazis while socialists walk into office and tear apart cities.


A wildly inaccurate and ignorant view of history.

You really should research the history of communism and socialism. The death and suffering caused is unbelievably horrible and vast.


Its becoming very clear that you don't actually support American values or republicanism, but were merely using them as buzzwords to justify your support of democrats and leftism.


no i am asking this question to people like you specifically. Why so focused on the far left being bad? Trump's fascism, brain washing has done wonders to you it looks like.
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Jan 7 2021 01:29am
Polarizing to dodge the facts: Social democracy is the only way. 1950 pseudo religious conservative fiscally cumservative is no longer applicable.
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Jan 7 2021 01:30am
Communism and Socialism are both on the left. Nazis were leftists, they were not on the right. The right, simply put, is self-ownership and personal responsibility. The left is state ownership, and responsibility to the state. It was the ultra conservative pro-liberty (by today's standards) far right Americans who defeated the Nazis, the Soviets, and combatted the excesses of the Chinese.

Communism and Socialism are both anti-liberty. They both hand the government all the power to destroy the freedom and liberty of the individual. It's no shock that the Democratic Party of the United States of America, the party of the KKK, is now turning to socialism and communism as a way to reinstate ownership of other people.

Now before you start spewing garbage about China and the Soviet Union and other such not being "real communism" let's face the reality of human nature here: Communism always devolves down to might makes right. No utopian vision can exist without enforcement. He/She who commands the enforcers takes control and dictates the lives of all. Communism is not viable on a large stage.
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Jan 7 2021 01:33am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 06:30pm)
Communism and Socialism are both on the left. Nazis were leftists, they were not on the right. The right, simply put, is self-ownership and personal responsibility. The left is state ownership, and responsibility to the state. It was the ultra conservative pro-liberty (by today's standards) far right Americans who defeated the Nazis, the Soviets, and combatted the excesses of the Chinese.

Communism and Socialism are both anti-liberty. They both hand the government all the power to destroy the freedom and liberty of the individual. It's no shock that the Democratic Party of the United States of America, the party of the KKK, is now turning to socialism and communism as a way to reinstate ownership of other people.

Now before you start spewing garbage about China and the Soviet Union and other such not being "real communism" let's face the reality of human nature here: Communism always devolves down to might makes right. No utopian vision can exist without enforcement. He/She who commands the enforcers takes control and dictates the lives of all. Communism is not viable on a large stage.


Nazi's were leftists? LOL
Ill ignore the part about america defeating the nazi's.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jan 7 2021 01:34am
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Jan 7 2021 01:37am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 02:30am)
Communism and Socialism are both on the left. Nazis were leftists, they were not on the right. The right, simply put, is self-ownership and personal responsibility. The left is state ownership, and responsibility to the state. It was the ultra conservative pro-liberty (by today's standards) far right Americans who defeated the Nazis, the Soviets, and combatted the excesses of the Chinese.

Communism and Socialism are both anti-liberty. They both hand the government all the power to destroy the freedom and liberty of the individual. It's no shock that the Democratic Party of the United States of America, the party of the KKK, is now turning to socialism and communism as a way to reinstate ownership of other people.

Now before you start spewing garbage about China and the Soviet Union and other such not being "real communism" let's face the reality of human nature here: Communism always devolves down to might makes right. No utopian vision can exist without enforcement. He/She who commands the enforcers takes control and dictates the lives of all. Communism is not viable on a large stage.


no nazis were far right.

yikes

This post was edited by IroningTheMaiden on Jan 7 2021 01:37am
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