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Sep 19 2020 06:57pm
The president of Princeton has come out with some pretty shocking accusations. As per the president, Christopher L. Eisgruber, racism is “embedded in structures of the University itself.”

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/02/letter-president-eisgruber-universitys-efforts-combat-systemic-racism

Unfortunately, this means that Princeton is in violation of the Civil Rights act, and the Department of Education has opened an investigation.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/exclusive-education-department-opens-investigation-into-princeton-university-after-president-deems-racism-embedded-in-the-school

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Based on its admitted racism, the U.S. Department of Education (“Department”) is concerned Princeton’s nondiscrimination and equal opportunity assurances in its Program Participation Agreements from at least 2013 to the present may have been false


It will be interesting to see whether Princeton agrees with their own findings and returns tens of millions in federal funds, or whether their virtue signalling president will be forced to step down.
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Sep 19 2020 07:00pm
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84012029&f=119

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but yeah this requires more attention. how many of these institutions, ran almost entirely by lefties, end up being bastions of racism
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Sep 19 2020 07:24pm
Any school that admits based on legacy is gonna have a pretty obvious racial bias.

For a long time education was only accessible by wealthy people, and minorities were actively prevented from building wealth. As a result even if your admission process isn't explicitly racist, the preference for people with previous access inherits the previous bias.
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Sep 19 2020 07:32pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 19 2020 09:24pm)
Any school that admits based on legacy is gonna have a pretty obvious racial bias.

For a long time education was only accessible by wealthy people, and minorities were actively prevented from building wealth. As a result even if your admission process isn't explicitly racist, the preference for people with previous access inherits the previous bias.


That's concerning news, because it would imply that Princeton has swindled the federal government out of millions in direct funding. If true, I think it's clear that Princeton should both pay back the federal funding and a significant fine to prevent this sort of behavior in the future.

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https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84012029&f=119

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but yeah this requires more attention. how many of these institutions, ran almost entirely by lefties, end up being bastions of racism


Ah, I am clearly not reading the front page. I'm surprised something this outrageous hasn't generated greater discussion.
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Sep 19 2020 07:35pm
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That's concerning news, because it would imply that Princeton has swindled the federal government out of millions in direct funding. If true, I think it's clear that Princeton should both pay back the federal funding and a significant fine to prevent this sort of behavior in the future.
Ah, I am clearly not reading the front page. I'm surprised something this outrageous hasn't generated greater discussion.


Not exactly news, the left has been railing against legacy admissions as a tool of the wealthy for a very long time. (The left, not Democrats lol)
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Sep 19 2020 08:08pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 19 Sep 2020 21:32)
That's concerning news, because it would imply that Princeton has swindled the federal government out of millions in direct funding. If true, I think it's clear that Princeton should both pay back the federal funding and a significant fine to prevent this sort of behavior in the future.



Ah, I am clearly not reading the front page. I'm surprised something this outrageous hasn't generated greater discussion.


it goes against the modern-day 'critical race theory' nonsense of the left. minorities are the ones being discriminated against at these institutions (most notably, east and south asians)
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Sep 19 2020 08:11pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 19 2020 06:32pm)
That's concerning news, because it would imply that Princeton has swindled the federal government out of millions in direct funding. If true, I think it's clear that Princeton should both pay back the federal funding and a significant fine to prevent this sort of behavior in the future.



I think it depends on the severity of the systemic racism. Princeton shouldn't be singled out if all institutions are doing it.
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Sep 19 2020 10:11pm
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I think it depends on the severity of the systemic racism. Princeton shouldn't be singled out if all institutions are doing it.


I think it's going to be hard to prove that. We can be thankful that Princeton has admitted wrongdoing, so at least this one case should be clear cut.

That said, I think that if all are guilty, all should be punished. At the same time, the Federal government has a specific duty to make sure that those who say they're guilty are punished accordingly. You can only imagine the chaos is universities admitted to breaking the law and were allowed to get away with it.
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Sep 19 2020 10:28pm
Quote (thundercock @ 19 Sep 2020 22:11)
I think it depends on the severity of the systemic racism. Princeton shouldn't be singled out if all institutions are doing it.

we all know they’re all doing it and they (Princeton) admitted fault. racism is bad period even if it’s the “educated elite doing it”. the amount of legacy slaveholder, segregationist, anti-suffragette, and jim crow laws money passed through their endowments to lower their personal and business legacy tax obligations is a sizable sum. this is really old money we’re talking about dictating things are these institutions, not johnny-come-lately like musk or zuckerberg, or even older powerful individuals like buffett and trump.

john forbes (bet most people didnt know that) kerry the ketchup-marrying swiftboat captain is a primary example of old money.

now im not against a level playing field when it comes to opportunity - i heartily am for it. but you do not hand out punishment to people just because their skin pigmentation is of a certain level. harvard has done this and apparently so has princeton.

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Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 19 2020 09:11pm)
I think it's going to be hard to prove that. We can be thankful that Princeton has admitted wrongdoing, so at least this one case should be clear cut.

That said, I think that if all are guilty, all should be punished. At the same time, the Federal government has a specific duty to make sure that those who say they're guilty are punished accordingly. You can only imagine the chaos is universities admitted to breaking the law and were allowed to get away with it.


That's fair. Perhaps by making an example out of Princeton, other institutions will change policies to be more fair.
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