theres been some talk of bail reform lately, with some states doing away with bail in many cases, letting alleged criminals walk free to await their court date. in some cases, perpetrators have immediately gone out and committed more crimes and been arrested again, only to be let free yet again. the reason for this? apparently bail is racist and creates an unfair advantage for the wealthy, and disadvantage for the poor.

first and foremost, so what if it gives the wealthy an advantage? life isnt fair, get over it. being wealthy has numerous advantages. duh. this is just another petty attack on wealthy people by democrats in a lame attempt to get the support of the poor masses.


however, i do agree that theres a need for bail reform. in fact, i think bail should be done away with completely - dont let ANYONE out until theyve had their trial and been cleared. why should accused criminals be running around free while awaiting trial? especially if theres strong evidence that they are guilty. i know of such a case that happened near me, where theres video evidence of the accused committing the [serious] crime, but they made bail and are out for now. while theres a restraining order in place, they do live near the victim and people in the community dont want this person around, knowing what they did. imo, its better to just do away with bail completely.

the downside, however, is that people who are innocent will also have to wait in jail for their trial. which does give me mixed feelings about this it would suck to be wrongly accused of something and have to sit in jail for months awaiting trial because of that. but it shouldnt take that long to get a trial in the first place, the whole judicial system needs an overhaul.

but i dont think that letting criminals free to go commit more crimes while they wait for their trial is the answer.

Stopped here.

If you're such a piece of shit that you think access to justice should be predicated on wealth you're not worth talking to.


Let's take a totally innocent person, accuse them on a crime, charge the bail which they can't pay, and then expect them to go without income until their trial, then turn them loose after they're proven innocent (if they're proven innocent since the public defender system is also total shit) and expect them to be fine, you're an idiot and probably a piece of shit.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 15 2020 08:40pm

bail has nothing to do with "access to justice". where do you even come up with such nonsense?

This post was edited by ReturnFormer on Sep 15 2020 08:52pm

Bail reform should scale by income but completely abolished in cases of organized crime. No bail is a disaster as we see in NY.

When the justice system is removing your ability to get income that fucks your finances and makes it significantly harder for people to afford adequate representation so yes, it is an access to justice issue

even the world's stretchiest rubber band doesnt stretch that far. "if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you". access to justice is not an issue.

even if it were the case that someone needed that income to afford a lawyer, they still wouldnt be able to afford as much for one as someone more wealthy. so what? thats the advantage of being wealthy. you can buy expensive clothes and you can hire expensive lawyers. anyone who cant afford one will be provided with one. if you think the public defender is inadequate or incompetent, then sue them for malpractice.

letting criminals go free to commit more crimes should not be an option.

Poverty doesnt cause crime. Crime causes poverty.

This is demonstrably false. Public defenders' offices around the country have budgets that pale in comparison to that of prosecutions. It makes the news when a locality makes an attempt to erase the disparity.

Bail is a privilege. Usually the amount is large enough that the accused complies and comes back to court to recoup that large dollar amount.

Removing that mechanism will just result in court non compliance and honestly damage the justice system. You’ll end up with people not coming back because they’ve got nothing to lose.

It’s not about rich and poor it’s a necessary mechanism. Not surprised Thor doesn’t understand the mechanics though and why it’s a necessity. I’m sure he has some better idea for court compliance.

bail is bs money laundering.