Today Judge Salas of the District of New Jersey was apparently targeted in an assassination by a gunman who instead killed her son and critically wounded her husband
Disguised as a FedEx deliveryman, he started firing when they opened the door.
This happens to match almost exactly the M.O. used by a gunman in California last week who assassinated Men's Rights attorney Marc Angelucci, who was asked for by name by someone posing as a deliverman who then gunned him down
Marc Angelucci was a high profile civil rights attorney, probably the most prominent mens rights attorney in the country, who was known for bringing the suit challenging the male-only draft and winning an initial judgment, which is currently in appeals
Well hours after the shooting of the judge today, the suspected gunman was found dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound in upstate New York
Identified as Roy Den Hollander, another prominent Men's Rights attorney and working on the male-draft case appeal with Marc Angelucci. An appeal that was pending before Judge Salas

I can't even wrap my head around what the motive would be, and at this point I can't rule out even further conspiracy or plot twists
but one things clear, this is absolutely not a coincidence and some big shit just went down.

The most rational explanation is Roy Hollander snapped and went postal, killed his own legal partner and killed the judge their case was appealed to. Doesn't make much sense, and nothing but a manifesto could explain it at this point.
it does pour a bunch of cold water on people thinking this had something to do with Epstein, though

and more on Roy Den Hollander and why he was such a bitter "anti-feminist" (as opposed to men's rights activist like Angelucci)

Apparently from around 1990 to 2001, Hollander worked in the Kremlin doing "International financing & intelligence services", and married a young and pretty Russian bride. He brought her back to the states to practice law here, and immediately after receiving her green card she divorced him and took half his money in divorce court, her marriage being nothing but a ploy and only lasting 8 months. He then became an absolutely deranged anti-feminist who was not out to defend the rights of forgotten men like Angelucci was, but instead to tear down what he saw as the social benefits created by feminists. His history was filled with bitter tilting at windmills like trying to sue bars for having ladies nights, suing Columbia for offering a women's studies course, bringing nuisance suits against neighbors and rivals. His website and quotes in media (and the text of his filings) are full of stuff like



He was definitely crazed enough to do something like this. It sure sounds like he was the insane and hostile counterpart to Marc Angelucci, he was respected as an overall good guy and purely positive men's rights activist, the "get rights for men, not tear them down for women" kind. That kind of explains what insanity could provoke Hollander to assassinate Angelucci

I must say that you post the most dreadfully boring threads, without fail.

a conspiracy with two assassinations, a literal kremlin agent and hot button political topic
very boring stuff

maybe I'll create a snapchat version 10 seconds long to keep your interest

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 20 2020 01:09pm

Activists fighting for a ridiculous, symbolic cause that nobody cares strongly about, and killing each other in the process.

Yeah, there’s so much political debate to be had about this.

You're right.

We need another Trump thread

the irony ...

Marc Angelucci was taking on issues that mattered as well as symbolic issues. Access to shelters for domestic violence survivors and fairness in their testimony at court and parental rights, taking on the institutional discrimination in favor of women in child protective services and guardianship in divorce, and his suit still pending in the Jerry Cox case is very likely to strike down California's receivership laws as an unconstitutional violation of due process. That's in addition to already winning the symbolic case declaring the male-only draft unconstitutional.

There are very real issues that Mens Rights attorneys deal with. Marc Angelucci was their most prominent champion, and this shitshow of jealousy/spite/insanity/whatever got him assassinated. Now we've got 2 dead victims and 1 critically injured, and 1 dead gunman. That's the death toll of a domestic terrorist attack.

Same group that killed Angelucci reuses the method at the judge's house, then kills Hollander (framing suicide). This accomplishes:

Prevents MRA from being able to point themselves as the victim. One of their own, Angelucci, had been killed, but now that's wiped away because the shooter was made to appear as being one of them too.
Strikes a blow against the male-only draft case, since it clears out both lawyers that were fighting for it.
Also scares/discourages the judge who was working on it. However, not by actually killing a woman. Only males got directly hurt by this killer.

End goal, of course, being to encourage casual viewers to put their hands up and say "eh, no big deal".



Which seems to be working perfectly, if the reactions in this thread are any indication.

Frame-job definitely jumped into my mind as possible, as soon as we got our... 3rd? plot twist in this story. It would definitely be absolutely devastating to the movement they're trying to undermine
however, there are a few issues there:
1. Occam's razor would say that its definitely the lone deranged gunman, since we already know how nutty he was and he had the motive, means and opportunity.
2. Any mistakes in the understanding as a lone gunman can be explained by incompetence or happenstance, as his failure to kill the judge would indicate
3. Any conspiracy theory as elaborate as a frame-job would be incredibly risky and prone to catastrophic failure that exposes the whole thing.

Think through it as if you were trying to set up that frame-job. As soon as you kill Angelucci, other MRA attorneys like Hollander (especially Hollander given his paranoia) would be immediately wary and on guard, making any followup difficult. And any sloppiness in killing a judge or hollander could reveal that it was a framejob and thus undo any political motive. Killing both the judge and hollander in the same day and staging the scene to implicate him without forensics figuring it out would be a herculean task, even one stray footprint, hair or fiber can reveal the deception.

I think its pretty clear its just the crazed militant misogynist guy went out and killed the more successful, more moderate and legitimate men's right activist because he 'stole his thunder', and then killed the judge for some reason like slowrolling his case. Spite from failed glory seeking alone would explain both the murders.