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Jun 9 2020 03:43pm
so shutting down businesses, causing massive layoffs, disrupting peoples lives, arresting people for family gatherings and outtings, preventing people from seeing their loved ones as they die is all good in the name of social distancing to prevent the spread of the coronavirus

but it's ok to gather in public now because stopping racism is important even if it means thousands of old people will die :huh:

imo public health officials have lost all credibly on the matter and just come off as a bunch of sjws

what do our resident pardians make of this 180 on social distancing?
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

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For months, public health experts have urged Americans to take every precaution to stop the spread of Covid-19—stay at home, steer clear of friends and extended family, and absolutely avoid large gatherings.

Now some of those experts are broadcasting a new message: It’s time to get out of the house and join the mass protests against racism.

“We should always evaluate the risks and benefits of efforts to control the virus,” Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, tweeted on Tuesday. “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”

“The injustice that’s evident to everyone right now needs to be addressed,” Abraar Karan, a Brigham and Women’s Hospital physician who’s exhorted coronavirus experts to amplify the protests' anti-racist message, told me. "While I have voiced concerns that protests risk creating more outbreaks, the status quo wasn’t going to stop #covid19 either," he wrote on Twitter this week.

It’s a message echoed by media outlets and some of the most prominent public health experts in America, like former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Tom Frieden, who loudly warned against efforts to rush reopening but is now supportive of mass protests. Their claim: If we don’t address racial inequality, it’ll be that much harder to fight Covid-19. There’s also evidence that the virus doesn’t spread easily outdoors, especially if people wear masks.
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Yet many say the protests are worth the risk of a possible Covid-19 surge, including hundreds of public health workers who signed an open letter this week that sought to distinguish the new anti-racist protests “from the response to white protesters resisting stay-home orders.”

Those protests against stay-at-home orders “not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives,” according to the letter’s nearly 1,300 signatories. “Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.”

“Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19,” the letter signers add. “However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission.”

Was it fair to decry conservatives’ protests about the economy while supporting these new protests? And if tens of thousands of people get sick from Covid-19 as a result of these mass gatherings against racism, is that an acceptable trade-off? Those are questions that a half-dozen coronavirus experts who said they support the protests declined to directly answer.

“I don’t know if it’s really for me to comment,” said Karan. He did add: “Addressing racism, it can’t wait. It should’ve happened before Covid. It’s happening now. Perhaps this is our time to change things.”

“Many public health experts have already severely undermined the power and influence of their prior message,” countered Flier. “We were exposed to continuous daily Covid death counts, and infections/deaths were presented as preeminent concerns compared to all other considerations—until nine days ago,” he added.

“Overnight, behaviors seen as dangerous and immoral seemingly became permissible due to a ‘greater need,’” Flier said.
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Jun 9 2020 03:46pm
Well the good news is that everyone can go back to work now!

Seriously, go back to work lol.

The imminent threat of having hospitals overrun seems over.

If i was an entrepreneur i would be calling in the troops. I haven't stopped working only changed my habits but I'm speaking from a position of privilege I'm aware.

But I think its time.

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Jun 9 2020 03:49pm
We've discussed this in other threads already
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Jun 9 2020 03:50pm
Problem is hardly outdoor tho, but more likely public transport, office, or buildings from museums to night clubs.

Bunkers too.
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Jun 9 2020 04:28pm
We will have to watch the numbers. As it stands we're out of the emergency situation since we've decreases the number of cases per day even while opening up. If the numbers start showing a dramatic rise then they will do a 180 again and start advocating for closure.

This isn't some weird ideological thing. If you track the numbers it's far less serious now than it was when New York was having to ship people out of the city because they didn't have enough hospital beds.
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Jun 9 2020 04:30pm
Pennsylvania's governor Tom Wolfe called business owners who wanted to open during the pandemic cowards.

He was recently photographed participating in a mass protest.....



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Jun 9 2020 04:38pm
I already gave my opinion on the glaring double standard in the coronavirus thread:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82599638&f=119&p=558716335
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Jun 9 2020 06:27pm
I'll be curious to see what happens to some of these businesses that were able to successfully change to a "work from home" model. I firmly believe that if more businesses can adopt this strategy then worker productivity and morale will greatly increase.

As an example, one of my friends was working for a pharmaceutical company and was able to work from home because her whole job was from a computer. When the company itself tried to tell everyone to come back in, more than a few were like, "But there's no point. We can do all of this from our house."
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Quote (Tyrantus @ 9 Jun 2020 20:27)
I'll be curious to see what happens to some of these businesses that were able to successfully change to a "work from home" model. I firmly believe that if more businesses can adopt this strategy then worker productivity and morale will greatly increase.

As an example, one of my friends was working for a pharmaceutical company and was able to work from home because her whole job was from a computer. When the company itself tried to tell everyone to come back in, more than a few were like, "But there's no point. We can do all of this from our house."

yeah i for one like the working remote solution; i’ve been pushing more of it at my current shop for years now. my depts productivity has been sublime since covid-19 forced everyone to be remote so im confident upon office reopening it will be more of a “come in for major presentations or pitches and wfh otherwise”

that said a lot of industries don’t have this luxury

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but it's ok to gather in public now because stopping racism is important even if it means thousands of old people will die :huh:

imo public health officials have lost all credibly on the matter and just come off as a bunch of sjws

^duffman316

i agree with these sentiments 100%. if i wanted to go back to work and demonstrated peacefully with 10 people i was “killing grandma and grandpa” but if i took advantage of peaceful protests against police brutality and racism to riot and smash up a store or 10 well everyone made excuses for me
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so shutting down businesses, causing massive layoffs, disrupting peoples lives, arresting people for family gatherings and outtings, preventing people from seeing their loved ones as they die is all good in the name of social distancing to prevent the spread of the coronavirus

but it's ok to gather in public now because stopping racism is important even if it means thousands of old people will die :huh:

imo public health officials have lost all credibly on the matter and just come off as a bunch of sjws

what do our resident pardians make of this 180 on social distancing?
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534


Social distancing never worked. Any protests should be allowed. The WHO just announced. We wasted all of our time and money and saved no lives.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Jun 9 2020 06:33pm
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