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May 7 2020 01:11pm
https://apnews.com/ae1ad252bb13490db2ceffc5d17b6d92

"The Justice Department on Thursday said it is dropping the criminal case against President Donald Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn"

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The JDepartment said it had concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”
The U.S. attorney reviewing the Flynn case, Jeff Jensen, recommended dropping the case to Attorney General William Barr last week and formalized the recommendation in a document this week.
“Through the course of my review of General Flynn’s case, I concluded the proper and just course was to dismiss the case,” Jensen said in a statement. “I briefed Attorney General Barr on my findings, advised him on these conclusions, and he agreed.”


Well Michael Flynn's long journey as America's greatest living character from a Le Carre novel has finally come to a close.
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May 7 2020 01:23pm
I don't know how it's sustainable for only one political party to follow basic American norms. At some point Democrats are going get fed up being the only group that actually plays by the rules, and then there will no longer be rules.

A disgraceful moment in our country's history. Bill Barr is a complete embarassment.
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May 7 2020 01:27pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 7 2020 02:23pm)
I don't know how it's sustainable for only one political party to follow basic American norms. At some point Democrats are going get fed up being the only group that actually plays by the rules, and then there will no longer be rules.

A disgraceful moment in our country's history. Bill Barr is a complete embarassment.


Republicans dropped their norm following under Obama. They literally said they will refuse to pass anything he supports no matter what it is. This is just a logical extension of that.
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May 7 2020 01:28pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 7 2020 02:23pm)
I don't know how it's sustainable for only one political party to follow basic American norms. At some point Democrats are going get fed up being the only group that actually plays by the rules, and then there will no longer be rules.

A disgraceful moment in our country's history. Bill Barr is a complete embarassment.


somehow I'm unable to reconcile;

>play by the rules

and

>manufacture fraudulent evidence
>leak fake evidence to media
>use circular reporting to obtain illegal wiretaps
>wiretap political opponents and obtain compromising information
>unmask and leak information to violate privacy safeguards
>use information to set up ambush on political opponent
>entrap opponent in a crime that would not exist but-for a bad faith ambush
>damage fabric of IC interdepartmental cooperation for the purpose of palace intrigue
>suppress exculpatory evidence for years

I never got an impression of J Edgar Hoover as a man who played by the rules, either

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 7 2020 01:29pm
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May 7 2020 01:37pm
So is roger stone next?
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May 7 2020 01:40pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 7 2020 03:27pm)
Republicans dropped their norm following under Obama. They literally said they will refuse to pass anything he supports no matter what it is. This is just a logical extension of that.


It's hard to imagine Democrats ever electing someone as uniquely evil as Trump is, but it's possible they could elect someone who's corrupt enough to use their AG to improperly influence investigative outcomes.

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somehow I'm unable to reconcile;

>play by the rules

and

>manufacture fraudulent evidence
>leak fake evidence to media
>use circular reporting to obtain illegal wiretaps
>wiretap political opponents and obtain compromising information
>unmask and leak information to violate privacy safeguards
>use information to set up ambush on political opponent
>entrap opponent in a crime that would not exist but-for a bad faith ambush
>damage fabric of IC interdepartmental cooperation for the purpose of palace intrigue
>suppress exculpatory evidence for years

I never got an impression of J Edgar Hoover as a man who played by the rules, either


Most of that is dishonest spin, but you're conflating a whole bunch of different groups. The framing of Trump cult vs the world makes sense from your perspective inside the cult, but it's just bizarre to everyone else.
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May 7 2020 01:44pm
Quote (duffman316 @ May 7 2020 03:37pm)
So is roger stone next?


Barr already intervened in that case to get the sentence lowered.
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May 7 2020 01:46pm
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Quote (IceMage @ May 7 2020 03:40pm)
It's hard to imagine Democrats ever electing someone as uniquely evil as Trump is, but it's possible they could elect someone who's corrupt enough to use their AG to improperly influence investigative outcomes.



Most of that is dishonest spin, but you're conflating a whole bunch of different groups. The framing of Trump cult vs the world makes sense from your perspective inside the cult, but it's just bizarre to everyone else.


What the DOJ had to say.

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The department said it had concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.


I know you like yielding to authority and uncritically accepting 'expert' opinions, but why are so readily able to accept "anonymous sources said ____" for years, while completely disregarding what the chief legal body in this country has to say considering their work is actually public and transparent compared to the smoking mirrors of anonymous sources?

Like do you ever critically think about the things you believe?
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May 7 2020 01:49pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 7 2020 02:40pm)
It's hard to imagine Democrats ever electing someone as uniquely evil as Trump is, but it's possible they could elect someone who's corrupt enough to use their AG to improperly influence investigative outcomes.

Most of that is dishonest spin, but you're conflating a whole bunch of different groups. The framing of Trump cult vs the world makes sense from your perspective inside the cult, but it's just bizarre to everyone else.


Its kind of amazing how willing you are to just handwave and endless series of misconduct, crimes, leaking, spying, bad faith, hoaxes, violations of protocol, fabrication of evidence and overt political intrigue, and then turn around and declare that 'the other guys' are the ones who don't play by the rules and are uniquely corrupt and evil. Even in the fact of prosecutorial misconduct like suppressing exculpatory evidence, you think that any attempt to address the misconduct is "improperly influence". How much institutionalized malfeasance are you willing to tolerate as long as its by the side you align yourself with? If Robert Mueller had abducted Julian Assange and waterboarded him for a few months straight to get him to confess his links to Russia, would you just agree it was justifiable enhanced interrogation in the defense of national security?
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