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Apr 13 2020 06:53am
So i read a comment in the other thread about conservatives not helping in world war 2 and thought nah that can't be real. Decided to look it up and well holy shit, they didn't want to intervene and were actively trying to undermine efforts to help in the war. they even had an america first movement.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/06/how-world-war-ii-almost-broke-american-politics-227090
“Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, and not of political ideology,” the famed aviator and outspoken isolationist Charles Lindbergh told a national radio audience in October 1939. “Racial strength is vital, politics is a luxury.” Urging listeners to close ranks with Germany in a common struggle against “Asiatic intruders”—Russians, Persians, Turks and Jews—who would defile America’s “most priceless possession: our inheritance of European blood,” Lindbergh tapped into a deep well of popular nativism. It was a theme he hammered relentlessly from his perch as a spokesman for the America First Committee, an anti-interventionist organization that marshaled considerable support from prominent names in business and industry to oppose aid to Britain and France. The “three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration,” he intoned in a speech two years later.

It wasn’t just Lindbergh. The anti-interventionist movement enjoyed widespread support in 1939 and 1940, and Lindbergh’s brand of anti-interventionist politics—bordering on being pro-Nazi, and laced with a conspiratorial distrust of Jews—was common in circles opposed to Roosevelt’s domestic and foreign policies. The America First Committee ounted among its ranks outspoken anti-Semites such as Avery Brundage, the former head of the U.S. Olympic Committee who had visited ignominy upon the athletic community when he booted two Jewish runners from the track team at the Berlin games in 1936. In Kansas, the America First state chairman told followers that first lady Eleanor Roosevelt, the leading liberal light in FDR’s White House, was Jewish that and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was a “half-Jew.”

Even the most respectable opponents of Roosevelt’s mobilization policy verged on extremism. In an editorial titled “A Plea for Realism,” the Wall Street Journal argued in 1940 that “our job today is not to stop Hitler,” who had “already determined the broad lines of our national life at least for another generation.” Instead, Americans would better direct their focus to “modernize our thinking and our national planning,” a none-too-subtle nod to Nazi state planning and central power.

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Apr 13 2020 07:11am
Fake news.

Those same dudes hate Roosevelt till this day and tarnish his legacy. He socked Hitler in the face with one hand while strangling the great depression with the other. Not good enough apparently, do nothing Coolidge did better lol, despite the Great Depression being one of the legacies of his rule.

There is a pattern of conservatives resenting liberals for not cleaning up the messes they make to their liking.

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Apr 13 2020 07:31am
A fundamental tenant of conservatism is lack of change. They have been using the same bullshit arguments on virtually every subject for 100 years.
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Apr 13 2020 07:33am
Pretty bold accusation based on logical leaps.

So far from your source i'm convinced that Charles Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer. Where are you making the connection that this was common conservative belief/policy?
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Apr 13 2020 07:38am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 13 2020 09:33am)
Pretty bold accusation based on logical leaps.

So far from your source i'm convinced that Charles Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer. Where are you making the connection that this was common conservative belief/policy?


You can study some history it is widely available. I don't know why you need Duffman to explain something he just learned to you.

Furthermore your head is so far up your a** you'll never learn anyways you will just nuh uh so he might as well talk to a coffee table because it has more insight. You do not have the intellectual courage to admit such a thing.

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Apr 13 2020 07:41am
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 13 2020 09:38am)
You can study some history it is widely available. I don't know why you need Duffman to explain something he just learned to you.


If you claim something it's your responsibility to provide background and detail for that claim not send your doubters on google because you're intellectually lazy.



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Apr 13 2020 07:46am
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 13 2020 08:11am)
Fake news.

Those same dudes hate Roosevelt till this day and tarnish his legacy. He socked Hitler in the face with one hand while strangling the great depression with the other. Not good enough apparently, do nothing Coolidge did better lol, despite the Great Depression being one of the legacies of his rule.

There is a pattern of conservatives resenting liberals for not cleaning up the messes they make to their liking.


LMAO, neither of these is true, and people are justified in reviling FDR. Coolidge did do better, he didn't "rule" the US, and had nothing to do with the onset of the Great Depression.

Liberals make their own messes just fine, to be talking about cleaning up other people's messes. Like how liberals pretend that the Great Recession was borne of conservative policies, and that Obama came along and cleaned it up. Neither of these happened.
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Apr 13 2020 07:50am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 13 2020 09:33am)
Pretty bold accusation based on logical leaps.

So far from your source i'm convinced that Charles Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer. Where are you making the connection that this was common conservative belief/policy?


I'm not saying all conservatives were nazi sympathisers, but the isolationist rhetoric is certainly a conservative thing no?

Quote (Santara @ Apr 13 2020 09:46am)
LMAO, neither of these is true, and people are justified in reviling FDR. Coolidge did do better, he didn't "rule" the US, and had nothing to do with the onset of the Great Depression.

Liberals make their own messes just fine, to be talking about cleaning up other people's messes. Like how liberals pretend that the Great Recession was borne of conservative policies, and that Obama came along and cleaned it up. Neither of these happened.


I'd imagine libertarians aren't too thrilled about drafts

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Apr 13 2020 07:59am
Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 13 2020 09:50am)
I'm not saying all conservatives were nazi sympathisers, but the isolationist rhetoric is certainly a conservative thing no?


Non internationalism has been a pretty central tenant making up the backbone of the modern left for quite awhile. Vietnam, Iraq just to name a few very public ones.
Look up the sit ins in the 60s or the anti intervention movements made up of mainly young lefties, or the fact that there was a fair amount of liberals saying we shouldn't go into Iraq.

Isolationist/interventionism can't really be broken down by left or right ideology. It's prevalent on both sides evolving over time.
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Apr 13 2020 08:02am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 13 2020 09:59am)
Non internationalism has been a pretty central tenant making up the backbone of the modern left for quite awhile. Vietnam, Iraq just to name a few very public ones.
Look up the sit ins in the 60s or the anti intervention movements made up of mainly young lefties, or the fact that there was a fair amount of liberals saying we shouldn't go into Iraq.

Isolationist/interventionism can't really be broken down by left or right ideology. It's prevalent on both sides evolving over time.


Fair point, acknlowedged ^_^
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