Quote (tagged4nothing @ 19 Mar 2020 23:22)
creationism through natural occurrence. including, but not limited to, evolution.
So a natural birth of the universe without intelligence? Would the cause of the universe have to be something metaphysical? It seems to me, since before the physical world, something transcendence must be the cause. This cause can't have infinite other causes prior to itself, as we enter some kind of infinite regress problem. That leads us to a final and absolute "mechanism" that will result in all future events to occur and unfold. So an transcendent and eternal mechanism that set the universe I motion some 12.8 billion years ago. One more attribute might be added, as it seem we are extremely "lucky" to have the values and constants in the law of physics. Nothing is self evident, so there is the notion of fine-tuning.
Quote (Thor123422 @ 20 Mar 2020 04:12)
Honestly the origins of life, while interest, isn't all that miraculous. Maybe it's not how it happened, but we have several mechanisms for all the steps to create rudimentary cells in a purely natural way in the early Earth, and once those cells get started and self-replicate evolution gets you the rest of the way through mutation and natural selection. The specifics still need to be deciphered, but we have general mechanisms and methods that could have worked.
To me the only interesting scientific question that God has any place is the origin of consciousness, like how it originates from the activity of a neural network, and if it originates in other networks.
Isn't it somehow a miracle, that since the universe could have been black emptiness with laws hostile to anything complex and then life, it beautifully expanded by a steady pace allowing over time the occurrence of life. But as in the analogy I tried to make, it seems absolutely absurd that a digital computer code over time should be able to make a fully functioning game by itself with no human interaction. I assume you are familiar with the complex nature of making just simple weather systems in a MMO game. Let random chance make a game, and you just have a mess of a code. Perhaps if you intelligently made something useful to begin with, and let some random transformations in the code happen with a set of rules, and you have something similar to Google's deep mind. That by itself needed some years of programming to make a useful algorithm. The universe has these foundations build in to the underlying code. That's a mystery that takes some huge leap of faith to just desmiss as lucky chance. The intelligent design of gn community, a name that spells suspecion to many, have made some good calculations to the improbable reality of cells and what not assembling itself from atoms to proteins to DNA to fully functional cells and later highly complex life with consciousness. It just seem out the window, to propose that "evolution did it, we don't know, science will tell us in some distant future or never", these are some highly used remarks to something which seem pretty clear, at least to me!
The nature of consciousness as you say just adds more credibilty as I believe you say to the nature of sme great artist behind the curtain.