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Dec 30 2019 05:33am
The past few years have seen hate crimes by black people against orthodox jews in the Tri-State area of the east coast escalating dramatically since 2016. What was surges of 50-100% increase by year in incidents has now become so openly inflamed that there have been multiple black-on-jewish attacks per day (and a few latino-on-jewish) and 2 major terrorist attacks in the past few weeks. In just the past three days there have been at least 9 different violent attacks, although I'm losing count because it keeps going up.
Three weeks ago the worst attack was a terrorist attack by black identity extremists targeting a jewish school. Their plot stockpiling guns and bombs to commit a massacre went awry and they shot and killed a random white driver and a homicide detective before prematurely attacking the school and instead hitting the bodega next door, killing 3 jews before dying in a gun battle with police. Then yesterday there was a mass stabbing attack by a black guy who drove from harlem to a rabbis house on hannukah, stabbed 5 with a machete and escaped before being arrested by vehicle recognition technology as he tried to destroy the evidence.
To get a handle on just how bad the situation is, the best representation is how a spontaneous anti-semitic crowd gathered to heckle the dead jews after the bodega massacre;
https://twitter.com/HikindDov/status/1204806510762741760

Well entwined in the rise in hate crimes is the new bill already taking effect in NY that Bill De Blasio has been championing, a major bail reform package slated to start on January 1st but already adopted by the city.
The notable effects are that all criminals are now set free without bail for all but a specific few crimes like first degree rape or murder. The general rule of thumb is that unless it results in actual serious injury, you get set free immediately. Judges are given no discretion to set bail, and even the most hardened criminals with records a mile long and obviously intent on committing more crimes are set free immediately. That spans crimes from terroristic threats to third degree rape to vehicular homicide to manslaughter to assault, burglary, domestic violence, violent hate crimes, child sex crimes, arson, robbery, etc. It even sets free criminals arrested on charges of jumping bail or missing court dates, creating the rather obvious problem that the state has no way to actually enforce the laws against people who don't willingly submit. To 'solve' this problem, New York now gives criminals 'incentives' like debit cards upon arrest with promises of more 'gifts' like free Mets tickets if they show up for their trial dates. Right now all criminals are immediately given free transit passes and two $25 debit cards upon being booked, and plans call for expanding this to hand out free burner phones in the near future.

In addition to the bail reforms, the law also includes provisions like automatically turning over all discovery materials to defendants within 15 days of arraignment whether its possible for prosecutors to get the materials or not, and whether or not the defendants actually show up for their appearances, and including materials that prosecutors don't intent to use at trial because its too sensitive. Specifically, the state must automatically turn over the names of witnesses and 911 callers to offenders regardless of whether it would go to trial or be used, with no protections for witnesses. If laboratory materials like DNA can't be turned over in 15 days, they can't be used, and cases will be summarily dismissed. This is despite a backlog at underfunded crime labs, and De Blasio's administration declined to provide any more funding.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/28/suspects-released-without-bail-after-shocking-attacks-on-jews/
Well of the 9 hate crimes committed in the past few days against Jews, all but 2 suspects were given swag bags and released immediately. The hispanic one who punched and stomped on a 65 year old Jewish guys head and caused serious injury while shouting "Fuck you Jew bastard" was held and the black mass stabber too, while the others were charged, given their 'incentives' and set free. That includes Tiffany Harris, 30, who assaulted three Orthodox women on Friday, punching and slapping them while screaming "Fuck you Jews". Harris already had an outstanding warrant for a harassment and assault case from November on the docket, for which she was ignoring her trial dates. Furthermore, she had a previous felony criminal mischief case on her record for which she was sentenced in absentia to no prison term, after she failed to turn up to her court appearances for that crime. Well, after the anti-semitic hate crime she was booked, given her debit cards and released immediately.

And here's Mayor De Blasio on Fox News yesterday responding to Tiffany Harris's case;



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Host: "But Mr Mayor, what if they take the metro card and then they go beat up more people before they go to court? You don't think that happens? You give a criminal a metro card."
De Blasio: "Again, we're missing the forest for the trees here. Someone accused in America- some of the people accused here are awaiting trial. One of the most essential liberties of America is innocent until proven guilty-"
Host: Right- "Tiffany Harris, who said "F you Jew" and beat up three Jewish women, did she get a metro card?"
De Blasio: "I don't know what happened with her, but that's not the point. She will have a trial. As all Americans are due. That trial will determine the consequences, and the punishment. We want to make sure there's a rigorous prosecution"


Well lo and behold, less than 24 hours later, Tiffany Harris has been arrested again for punching another 35 year old woman in an unprovoked attack.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-woman-accused-of-anti-semitic-attacks-arrested-again-a-day-after-release/2252361/
https://nypost.com/2019/12/29/woman-accused-of-assaulting-3-jewish-women-arrested-again-day-after-release/

Its unclear whether this latest attack was also an anti-semitic hate crime- it just happened a matter of hours ago and not much details. But I can tell you what will happen now: She will be booked, charged, given a fresh set of debit cards and released again.
But hey, at least Jews can rest easy knowing that if they buy guns to defend themselves, SWAT teams will raid their homes like they did WhiskeyWarrior556.
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Dec 30 2019 06:25am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 30 2019 06:33am)
The past few years have seen hate crimes by black people against orthodox jews in the Tri-State area of the east coast escalating dramatically since 2016. What was surges of 50-100% increase by year in incidents has now become so openly inflamed that there have been multiple black-on-jewish attacks per day (and a few latino-on-jewish) and 2 major terrorist attacks in the past few weeks. In just the past three days there have been at least 9 different violent attacks, although I'm losing count because it keeps going up.
Three weeks ago the worst attack was a terrorist attack by black identity extremists targeting a jewish school. Their plot stockpiling guns and bombs to commit a massacre went awry and they shot and killed a random white driver and a homicide detective before prematurely attacking the school and instead hitting the bodega next door, killing 3 jews before dying in a gun battle with police. Then yesterday there was a mass stabbing attack by a black guy who drove from harlem to a rabbis house on hannukah, stabbed 5 with a machete and escaped before being arrested by vehicle recognition technology as he tried to destroy the evidence.
To get a handle on just how bad the situation is, the best representation is how a spontaneous anti-semitic crowd gathered to heckle the dead jews after the bodega massacre;
https://twitter.com/HikindDov/status/1204806510762741760

Well entwined in the rise in hate crimes is the new bill already taking effect in NY that Bill De Blasio has been championing, a major bail reform package slated to start on January 1st but already adopted by the city.
The notable effects are that all criminals are now set free without bail for all but a specific few crimes like first degree rape or murder. The general rule of thumb is that unless it results in actual serious injury, you get set free immediately. Judges are given no discretion to set bail, and even the most hardened criminals with records a mile long and obviously intent on committing more crimes are set free immediately. That spans crimes from terroristic threats to third degree rape to vehicular homicide to manslaughter to assault, burglary, domestic violence, violent hate crimes, child sex crimes, arson, robbery, etc. It even sets free criminals arrested on charges of jumping bail or missing court dates, creating the rather obvious problem that the state has no way to actually enforce the laws against people who don't willingly submit. To 'solve' this problem, New York now gives criminals 'incentives' like debit cards upon arrest with promises of more 'gifts' like free Mets tickets if they show up for their trial dates. Right now all criminals are immediately given free transit passes and two $25 debit cards upon being booked, and plans call for expanding this to hand out free burner phones in the near future.

In addition to the bail reforms, the law also includes provisions like automatically turning over all discovery materials to defendants within 15 days of arraignment whether its possible for prosecutors to get the materials or not, and whether or not the defendants actually show up for their appearances, and including materials that prosecutors don't intent to use at trial because its too sensitive. Specifically, the state must automatically turn over the names of witnesses and 911 callers to offenders regardless of whether it would go to trial or be used, with no protections for witnesses. If laboratory materials like DNA can't be turned over in 15 days, they can't be used, and cases will be summarily dismissed. This is despite a backlog at underfunded crime labs, and De Blasio's administration declined to provide any more funding.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/28/suspects-released-without-bail-after-shocking-attacks-on-jews/
Well of the 9 hate crimes committed in the past few days against Jews, all but 2 suspects were given swag bags and released immediately. The hispanic one who punched and stomped on a 65 year old Jewish guys head and caused serious injury while shouting "Fuck you Jew bastard" was held and the black mass stabber too, while the others were charged, given their 'incentives' and set free. That includes Tiffany Harris, 30, who assaulted three Orthodox women on Friday, punching and slapping them while screaming "Fuck you Jews". Harris already had an outstanding warrant for a harassment and assault case from November on the docket, for which she was ignoring her trial dates. Furthermore, she had a previous felony criminal mischief case on her record for which she was sentenced in absentia to no prison term, after she failed to turn up to her court appearances for that crime. Well, after the anti-semitic hate crime she was booked, given her debit cards and released immediately.

And here's Mayor De Blasio on Fox News yesterday responding to Tiffany Harris's case;

https://files.catbox.moe/t7yfj0.mp4



Well lo and behold, less than 24 hours later, Tiffany Harris has been arrested again for punching another 35 year old woman in an unprovoked attack.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-woman-accused-of-anti-semitic-attacks-arrested-again-a-day-after-release/2252361/
https://nypost.com/2019/12/29/woman-accused-of-assaulting-3-jewish-women-arrested-again-day-after-release/

Its unclear whether this latest attack was also an anti-semitic hate crime- it just happened a matter of hours ago and not much details. But I can tell you what will happen now: She will be booked, charged, given a fresh set of debit cards and released again.
But hey, at least Jews can rest easy knowing that if they buy guns to defend themselves, SWAT teams will raid their homes like they did WhiskeyWarrior556.


So let's suspend due process for blacks then.

Is that your Final Solution?
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Dec 30 2019 06:36am
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So let's suspend due process for blacks then.

Is that your Final Solution?


Everywhere else in the country and for all of the anglo-american law tradition dating back centuries, criminals were given bail or remand based on the discretion of judges to force their appearance in court and protect the public from those too dangerous to release.
New York decided to overturn all this precedent and create a system where criminals walk free no matter how obviously dangerous and recidivist they are, with no means or force to carry out a trial or sentence, making their submission to the courts purely voluntary.
And you decided to defend a modern day slow-rolling pogrom by making a reductio ad hitlerum that equates the status quo of 99.99% of the world and history and anything short of 'leave all crime unpunished' as morally the same as the holocaust and stacking jews ten deep in front of the furnaces. Because you're steadily turning more and more into saucy every day.
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Dec 30 2019 07:51am
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Everywhere else in the country and for all of the anglo-american law tradition dating back centuries, criminals were given bail or remand based on the discretion of judges to force their appearance in court and protect the public from those too dangerous to release.
New York decided to overturn all this precedent and create a system where criminals walk free no matter how obviously dangerous and recidivist they are, with no means or force to carry out a trial or sentence, making their submission to the courts purely voluntary.
And you decided to defend a modern day slow-rolling pogrom by making a reductio ad hitlerum that equates the status quo of 99.99% of the world and history and anything short of 'leave all crime unpunished' as morally the same as the holocaust and stacking jews ten deep in front of the furnaces. Because you're steadily turning more and more into saucy every day.


Not just New York. There are plenty of people who, when I discharge them from a 72 hour hold to jail, get a citation because jail is full and they can't get an adjacent county to hold people. The county I work out of is often full with local people, another having similar problems, and one adjacent county has become an impromptu ICE detention center and is full of people waiting for something (not sure, seems like they should just be deported rather than detained, but then its America so the govt will contract to southwest airlines lol).

Jails are full. Most people who move bodies to and from them kind of know this. I imagine New York jails have been constantly full. Criminals cost us enough money, should we be building more drunk tanks and holding cells?

Anymore it is 50/50 whether someone gets shackled or a citation. I've helped a dozen or so individuals avoid incarceration altogether. Its undesirable but it's a tough business.

Sterilization? Too many motherfuckers.

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Dec 30 2019 08:10am
“There is a lot of hate here and I don’t know why. People in the community are scared. It’s very dangerous. It’s just like remembering the days before World War II. I don’t let my kids out alone."

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Dec 30 2019 09:07am
Skinned, the man that milked the Charlottesville white supremacist attack for all it was worth and then some is now deflecting from antisemitic leftists attacks with ‘jails are full’, nice.

The media is eerily silent on the motives and systemic nature of these attacks.

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Dec 30 2019 09:55am
Meanwhile in a "white" supreme-racist topic injecting his disgusting poison like a snake on the Internet.

Trump era much? And I would not expect a single topic meticulously exposing vastly superior amount of "white" attacks on jews or whatever.



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Quote (Skinned @ Dec 30 2019 07:51am)
Not just New York. There are plenty of people who, when I discharge them from a 72 hour hold to jail, get a citation because jail is full and they can't get an adjacent county to hold people. The county I work out of is often full with local people, another having similar problems, and one adjacent county has become an impromptu ICE detention center and is full of people waiting for something (not sure, seems like they should just be deported rather than detained, but then its America so the govt will contract to southwest airlines lol).

Jails are full. Most people who move bodies to and from them kind of know this. I imagine New York jails have been constantly full. Criminals cost us enough money, should we be building more drunk tanks and holding cells?


Yes of course we should build more capacity. The solution to a crime epidemic isn't to decriminalize everything short of first degree murder, and yet that's what NY State did. There was an argument for decriminalizing the unfair, victimless and selectively prosecuted crimes like use and possession of marijuana, but somehow that got conflated into letting violent criminals roam free after their 24th attack and giving gangsters the names and addresses of potential witnesses, with no protection, for crimes they won't even bother prosecuting.

If large amounts of people are committing serious and/or recidivist crimes that deserve to be sent to jail or prison, then they should be sent to jail or prison. To fail to do so is to fail to protect the public and to abdicate one of the central responsibilities of a government and the reason why they even exist in human society. A king that can't keep the roads safe from highwaymen is no king at all. If you want to harp on the need for social programs and safety nets and education to lift people out of criminal lifestyles I'm all ears, insofar as its reasonable. But when you start divorcing criminal actions from consequences you are creating nothing short of anarchy. Like the straw man hurled at every civil libertarian for decades has sprung to life and sure doesn't have a brain.
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Dec 30 2019 10:28am
Quote (Skinned @ 30 Dec 2019 07:25)
So let's suspend due process for blacks then.

Is that your Final Solution?


nah that was the final solution for people like senator robert byrd (D) who was in the kkk and filibustered the civil rights act of 1964, then took on the mantle of hillary clinton's mentor and the (D) party's 'conscience' of the senate. if the (D)s ran this guy's corpse you'd vote for him multiple times

*LAUGH OUT LOUD*

Quote (ofthevoid @ 30 Dec 2019 10:07)
Skinned, the man that milked the Charlottesville white supremacist attack for all it was worth and then some is now deflecting from antisemitic leftists attacks with ‘jails are full’, nice.

The media is eerily silent on the motives and systemic nature of these attacks.

they're blaming everyone else but the perpetrator as usual. that failure of a presidential candidate and mayor Warren Wilhelm Jr. (aka Bill de Blasio - he changed his name to sound more ethnic to get elected into office) is busy blaming drumpf (just like low-iq leech on subsidy sauceman666060606060 did above)

oh and don't forget this howler:


The latest Tweets from Erin Biba (@erinbiba). Freelance Science Journalist - National Geographic, BBC, Scientific American, NBC News

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Dec 30 2019 10:36am
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Skinned, the man that milked the Charlottesville white supremacist attack for all it was worth and then some is now deflecting from antisemitic leftists attacks with ‘jails are full’, nice.

The media is eerily silent on the motives and systemic nature of these attacks.


Leftist attacks? I thought we were talking about black on jew crime.

Are saying the jails being full due to the war on immigrants and drugs being part of the problem of why people who are criminal and violent are not being incarcerated really a deplorable statement?

I'm deflecting by saying mass incarceration is not a good solution for mass incarceration?

Is it the statement that immigrants being detained should just be deported instead of locked in buildings offensive?

Help me understand your criticism so I don't continue thinking you're a dumb motherfucker today and tomorrow.

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