So the two articles of impeachment are:

1. Abuse of Power
2. Obstruction of Congress

As of now, it seems that the first article has 231 Yes votes according to the latest count which would eclipse Clinton's perjury article. It could go up depending on how Tulsi and Collin Peterson vote.

The 2nd article appears to have slightly less support with 230 Yes votes.

Regardless, it appears that Trump will garner the greatest amount of impeachment votes in the history of this country.

Clinton Perjury: 228-206
Clinton Obstruction of Justice: 221-212

This post was edited by thundercock on Dec 17 2019 07:04pm

Be our guest. Stir up the bee's nest.

We're at peak rage already. What else could possibly make things worse?

raw #s dont matter as much as %
johnson had a disasterous impeachment process (72.8% voted for impeachment in the house he escaped conviction in the senate by one vote)



the numbers you compare are virtually along party lines - 5 (R)s in Clinton’s highest tally case to vote against impeachment. We will likely see the same tally here

also ‘obstruction of congress’ isn’t a real thing - Turley the non-Trump supporter testified as such: that based on the (D)s arguments presented in the impeachment inquiry, every President in US history obstructed Congress. Asking the judiciary to do its constitutionally mandated role isn’t an obstruction of congress, but we are in an era where half the legislature thinks it has more more power than both other branches and the upper chamber of the legislature combined

‘Abuse of power’ is a vague accusation masking the central issue of “we don’t like his foreign policy” and a far, far cry from the “quid pro quo” and “bribery” arguments they tried and then focus group tested (which failed)

e: it should be stated both clinton and trump’s impeachment processes are 100% politically driven by the opposition party, and have little to do with actual misconduct

This post was edited by excellence on Dec 17 2019 07:57pm

Its still the best take on impeachment there was;
https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/wellstone.html

The GOP is not interested in a censure unfortunately.



It's a real thing because Congress said so. They make the rules! I prefer raw vote count because Trump being the "most impeached" President has a good ring to it.

But isnt the vote count in the Senate trial the metric we should be looking at? After all, it is the vote count in the Senate that determines how close or far an impeached president really was from being ousted.

Let's find out!

A second term for Donald Trump

Not when we're trying to stretch this out for entertainment purposes and gigantic media profits

This post was edited by proccy on Dec 17 2019 11:11pm