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Nov 12 2019 09:27pm
I'm increasingly shifting my opinion towards lowering drug sentencing laws. Personally i think usage of hard drugs should have reduced sentencing from what they currently are. I don't think hard drug use should be decriminalized but i do think the penalties should be significantly reduced. Honestly, from a taxpayer perspective, having a coke user spend years in prison does nothing but burden the general populace with a hefty cost. Why not reduce some of those sentences to essentially reflect time for them to get clean? I.e. heroin/coke/meth users found in possession be jailed between 30-180 days, regardless if repeat offenders. It's enough time for them to get clean while saving money for the taxpayer.

Oklahoma is going to save upwards 10 million for releasing these women. Props to the Republican governor for doing this.


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More than 400 inmates across Oklahoma were being released from prison Monday in what the governor's office calls the largest single-day mass commutation in the nation's history.

The Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board approved the commutations Friday and forwarded them to Gov. Kevin Stitt, a former mortgage company CEO who was elected in 2018. The board voted unanimously to recommend that the sentences of 527 state inmates be commuted, with 462 of those inmates slated to walk out of prison Monday and 65 others being held on detainer.

"With this vote, we are fulfilling the will of Oklahomans," Steve Bickley, executive director of the board, said in a statement Friday. "However, from Day One, the goal of this project has been more than just the release of low-level, nonviolent offenders, but the successful re-entry of these individuals back into society."

Stitt, a Republican, has advocated for criminal justice reform, pledging to move away from policies that have made Oklahoma the state with the highest incarceration rate in the country. At a news conference Friday, Stitt hailed the decision to give hundreds of Oklahomans "a second chance."

People applaud after the Pardon and Parole Board read the names of 527 Oklahoma inmates recommended for commutation at the Kate Barnard Correctional Center in Oklahoma City on Nov. 1, 2019. Oklahoma will release more than 400 inmates after a state panel approved what they say is the largest single-day mass commutation in U.S. history.People applaud after the Pardon and Parole Board read the names of 527 Oklahoma inmates recommended for commutation at the Kate Barnard Correctional Center in Oklahoma City on Nov. 1, 2019. Oklahoma will release more than 400 inmates after a state panel approved what they say is the largest single-day mass commutation in U.S. history.Sarah Phipps / The Oklahoman via AP
"This marks an important milestone of Oklahomans wanting to focus the state's efforts on helping those with nonviolent offenses achieve better outcomes in life," Stitt said in a statement Monday.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-oklahoma-inmates-will-be-released-monday-largest-commutation-u-n1076056
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Nov 12 2019 09:54pm
The Singapore model works best IMO. They have some of the lowest drug use rates in the entire world and are a thriving society.
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Nov 12 2019 10:35pm
Substance use should be viewed as a public health concern, and not met with punishment. Countries that implemented this approach have largely seen reductions in substance use and violent crime, and in turn end up saving a lot of money.
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Nov 12 2019 10:36pm
I think they should be punished, but more of a community thing. They shoudl be given somethign to do with their time, rather than wasting it high.

this is use only. if they sell (as a lto of users do, actually) then they should be HEAVILY punished.

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Nov 12 2019 11:20pm
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The Singapore model works best IMO. They have some of the lowest drug use rates in the entire world and are a thriving society.


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Substance use should be viewed as a public health concern, and not met with punishment. Countries that implemented this approach have largely seen reductions in substance use and violent crime, and in turn end up saving a lot of money.


This. Substance use and addiction is a public health crisis, and should be treated as such, not as a criminal justice problem.
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Nov 13 2019 03:22am
Quote (thundercock @ 13 Nov 2019 04:54)
The Singapore model works best IMO. They have some of the lowest drug use rates in the entire world and are a thriving society.


Singapore is a police state, and one of the richest places on this planet. Aside from some managers and hollywood figures doing cocaine, drug use is largely a problem of poor and/or dysfunctional communities. Of which there are many in the U.S., but very few in Singapore.

Also, keep in mind that the draconian sentences will induce a substantial underreporting bias in their drug use statistics.



I'm in favor of cracking down much harder on the big drug cartels and the big, transregional dealers while reducing the sentences for individuals who are consuming or selling small amounts. Cracking down on the lowly local dealers while letting the big fish get away was a mistake.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 13 2019 04:22am)
Singapore is a police state, and one of the richest places on this planet. Aside from some managers and hollywood figures doing cocaine, drug use is largely a problem of poor and/or dysfunctional communities. Of which there are many in the U.S., but very few in Singapore.

Also, keep in mind that the draconian sentences will induce a substantial underreporting bias in their drug use statistics.



I'm in favor of cracking down much harder on the big drug cartels and the big, transregional dealers while reducing the sentences for individuals who are consuming or selling small amounts. Cracking down on the lowly local dealers while letting the big fish get away was a mistake.


Singapore isn't a police state? They just beat you in public if you break the law. I think the west can learn a thing or two from them.
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Nov 13 2019 06:04am
People in prison are profitable. Sure the tax payer pays, but the owning class is getting that money.

Capitalist pyramid scheme. It will only change to be more profitable.

Now that it is whites and heroin it is a public health crisis lol.

Why don't you Just Say No? Worked with crack.

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Nov 13 2019 06:21am
Just legalize all of that shit and tax it, that way no more crazy fuckers on the street selling the shit through cartels and etc... buy your coke and heroin at the store and kill yourself with the shit if you want to. Population control, taxable products for the govt. less people in prison for us to pay for. Win win win.
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Nov 13 2019 06:42am
Agreed. Trafficking is what you want to really crack down on.
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