So im currently exploring the topic of socialism/communism and it seems like a lot of people who aren't capable of providing much of anything of value to society believing that people should give them things for free.

Had anyone read into this topic and can someone explain what if anything a communist society ought to look like and is any of it grounded in reality?

You are absolutely correct. The wealthiest people are parasites who are incapable of providing anything of value to society and believe that the rest of humanity should supply their labor and capital for free.


I suggest you read Capital and get back to us in a few weeks after you've had time to actually read it:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf

No need to pay Bezos money for access.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Oct 31 2019 01:38pm

can we just jump ahead straight to the part where we're liquidating any kulak that owns 1 more cow than his neighbor?

those who can't provide much get 1/4 food rations until it works itself out. They're called the Polish.

Better to own 1 cow under communism than to own negative 40,000 cows under capitalism.

Marx theorized that work used to be a meaningful part of human existence however when people started working for others rather than themselves during modern industrialization it created a specific estrangement and alienation between people and their labor, and modern capitalism exacerbates this in many ways, specific ways such as separating workers from each other through competition, separating people from the product of their labor through isolation on assembly lines, etc, which has had poor effects on the human condition since.

A lot of the negative effects have since become mitigated due to the means of production becoming more and more widespread with technological innovation.

Humanity is conditional on the level of technology that society is at is Marx's enduring theory.

This is 100 level community college stuff.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 31 2019 01:52pm

The thing about liquidating the kulaks is that your neighbor owns 0 cows.

It's not about getting things for "free", but rather that human work should be to both a personal and collective benefit. Creating things in excess, and having our excess labor value translated into material wealth for the few is anti-thetical to a Marxist society. As Skinned already pointed out, it results in an alienation of people from meaningful work, connections with others, and values, all to the detriment of our society.

Great things have come about from separating people from the product of their labour. People don't naturally coordinate themselves in the fashion to say build things that will generate great returns for the person paying them for their individual contributiond that produces the whole.



Who determines what constitutes meaningful work? I'd think a doctors work is more valuable than an athletes but society has chosen otherwise by the amount of money they voluntarily pour into sports entertainment.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Oct 31 2019 03:43pm