It's unfortunate, really. Many good friends of mine fought hard and tirelessly for a reformation process in their local churches, and then this happens.

Maybe in another 2,000 years.

I think those congregations are just going to leave the denomination though.

This will be a bit rude, but take it easy:



Christianity will be dead in less than 50 years... At their own responsability

Unable to adapt is the name of the game... They perfectly deserve it and some isolated article will not help it.

We all know it's dying. And this is not helping:

According to an extensive journalistic investigation published on Sunday, February 10, 380 pastors, teachers, deacons and volunteers of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), the second largest religious group in the United States with 15 million members and 47,000 churches, reportedly have been accused of sexual abuse since 1998.









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/e which is pretty pathetic, homosexuality is not condemned by el Jesus Christ, nor 2 people living together because they love each others.

But well, politically i understand the point... It's like jewish or muslim religion after all... Controlling people, communitarianism, "order"...

They* are just killing their own future and it's sad because el Jesus is cool. They are Lying.

*religious leaders/gurus/politics...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 4 2019 04:53pm

Best for everyone.

They will leave, form a new sect or revamp an old one, and after 50-100 years the prohibition on gay marriage will be looked on the same way slavery is now. "Thats the old teaching from people who didnt reeeeally have the holy spirit! Besides look at those gay christian weddings, christianity was for it all along"

I know somebody will say that the bible has a clear stamce on homosexuality, but thing is it has a clear stance on a lot of things we dont think are moral now.

The Bible sets out a moral framework for it's believers. It sets roles for the genders. It lays out how to live one's life. And none of what it lays out is tolerant of alternative lifestyle. Don't forget, LGBTQ is the alternative lifestyle, not the other way around. It should be no surprise that the overwhelming majority of the church is NOT going to bow to the progressive stack, when they feel doing so would be immoral. Keeping in mind that they have both the right to practice their religion as they see fit, and the right to freedom of association, it's their choice. And it's NOT unique.

Not a single Abrahamic religion allows for alternative lifestyle. Not Christianity, not Islam, not Judaism. With Christianity, alternative lifestyles are to be left alone. AKA not participated in, but not judged or denounced or outlawed. You are free to do whatever you want. And, given the church's main goal is to save souls (in theory at least), they will not actively prevent alternative lifestyle folks from participating. They want to convince them to join them, and cast away their "sinful life". But allowing those who actively and openly practice an alternative lifestyle into the clergy/priesthood? How can you have the people who're preaching how to live a moral life be actively and openly living what your holy books dictate is an immoral and sinful life?

Judaism in this age takes a relatively similar approach. Though in orthodox Jewish communities, if you practice an alternative lifestyle, you may be considered no longer a Jew. There's no penalty other than being outcast from the othodoxy, and there are other Jewish communities that will accept you. But essentially, the split is pretty specific in it's agreement with Christianity.

Islam is openly hostile to alternative lifestyles. They're considered criminal in 10 of the 18 Islamic nations, and those who lead an alternative lifestyle have fewer rights, and often suffer mob violence in the other 8. Indeed, a lot of their limited rights status is intended to restrict their movement and ability to interact in the community, so that they WON'T be attacked by enraged mobs. Based on comments and teachings of many leading figures within the US Muslim population indicate that they have an equal intolerance for alternative lifestyles, though not, to date, the same willingness to attempt to murder those who practice that lifestyle.

Keeping in mind, that between Christianity and Islam, you're looking at between 3 and 3.5 billion people on the planet, and Christianity is only slowly shrinking, and Islam is growing like a wildfire...

I support people's right to live however the fuck they want. I ALSO support the church's right to prevent their leadership positions to be occupied by those they consider to be living in open and active sin. I can disagree with their viewpoint, but it's their religion, their choice.



There is open slavery being practiced in multiple Islamic nations. Today. The Quran and Hadiths outline how a slave can be taken, and how a slave is to be treated. In over 1400 years, Islam has not managed to reform enough to come to the conclusion wholesale that slavery is immoral. Yet you somehow believe that in 50-100 years, Christianity is going to accept alternative lifestyles?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 4 2019 05:59pm

The Bible may proclaim to set out a moral framework, but at the end of the day, the Bible is subject to interpretation. It's not as though those who went through a reformation process convinced a congregation to do so under the argument "Hey, we should just ignore these parts of the Bible". Instead, they forged an argument based off Biblical scripture that reflects their opinion that homosexuality is not incompatible with their religious framework in terms of morality, and this is no different than anyone else seeking to use the Bible for support of their position that it in fact does.

I too agree that it is their religion, and their choice. However, I reject any implication that there exists some singular, objective read of the Bible.

I agree with you that it would be quite simple to build a framework based on the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth that would allow for alternative lifestyles. However, it's incredibly difficult to do so once the teachings of the apostles are taken into account, and damned near impossible regarding the old testament. Saddam and Gomorrah made "God's Stance" incredibly clear.

I have no doubt a denomination of protestant Christianity could arise that's based on alternative lifestyles, where the leadership actively practices and even promotes alternative lifestyles. I simply do not believe the assertion that they could even possibly become the norm in 50-100 years. It took 1800 years for Christianity as a whole to come to the conclusion that Slavery was probably an unacceptable thing, even though it should have been obvious based on Jesus' teachings on how to treat your fellow man. In 1400 years, Islam has not even come that far. To believe that such a radical shift as this is possible as a "normal, okay thing" when so much in the Bible directly refutes alternative lifestyles is... Overly optimistic.

I'm not religious. I'm not atheist. I'm not even particularly agnostic. I merely track religions and read some of their holy books and history to be mildly informed. Were I to come up with a theory, it'd probably be along the lines of: I live in the natural world. I have never seen anything supernatural, and do not believe that the supernatural and the natural can interact in our current states. The soldiers in an RTS game have no concept that you exist. They cannot interact with you in any way. To us, they don't really exist. They're just part of a program that is designed for our entertainment. I believe that if there is a supernatural, it's relationship with humanity is likely very similar. Endgame? We need to focus on ourselves. No supernatural force governs our life that we could possibly prove, so let's act to better ourselves, and stop using the threat of the supernatural to try to control others.