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Jul 20 2010 05:28pm
Post your thoughts if you think it is/isn't, I might post mine l8er but atm my point would be sloppy and dull, so ill post after other people have posted. but lmk ur thoughts plz.


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Jul 20 2010 05:30pm
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In the only real choice that matters in the long run man certainly has free will .
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Jul 20 2010 06:00pm
We do have free will. We do have a rational faculty to analyze our surroundings and acquire information to make decisions.

But I do see the argument in favor of determinism in that all of our choices can be linked to our interactions with other people/ideas/images/places.
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Jul 20 2010 06:04pm
Does heaven have free will?
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I can understand why people would think free will is an illusion, with determinism and all that, but I don't really see how one can sincerely believe that one doesn't have free will. How can one truly believe that one didn't have a choice in between picking an apple or an orange?
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Jul 20 2010 06:21pm
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I can understand why people would think free will is an illusion, with determinism and all that, but I don't really see how one can sincerely believe that one doesn't have free will.  How can one truly believe that one didn't have a choice in between picking an apple or an orange?


That's not what determinists are arguing over, if I'm not mistaken. I think they mean the general course of your life is predetermined. Like what occupation you choose. What you are interested in is largely influenced by friends and family.

I heard them using the analogy of "we're all rocks rolling down a mountain. Sometimes we bounce off of each other and it changes the direction we're going. But it doesn't change the fact that we're going down a hill." I think I'm leaving out a part here, but that's something I remembered.
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Jul 20 2010 06:23pm
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That's not what determinists are arguing over, if I'm not mistaken.  I think they mean the general course of your life is predetermined.  Like what occupation you choose.  What you are interested in is largely influenced by friends and family.   

I heard them using the analogy of "we're all rocks rolling down a mountain.  Sometimes we bounce off of each other and it changes the direction we're going.  But it doesn't change the fact that we're going down a hill."  I think I'm leaving out a part here, but that's something I remembered.


I think determinism has very much to do with free will. Take this scenario. If you do something once in scenario number 1, and then we take that same scenario and have that scenario's atoms and molecules and so on all arranged exactly as they were in the first scenario and name that scenario number two, the exact same thing would happen in scenario number two as scenario number one, would it not?
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Jul 20 2010 06:48pm
Quote (Magikarpet @ Jul 20 2010 07:28pm)
Post your thoughts if you think it is/isn't,  I might post mine l8er but atm my point would be sloppy and dull, so ill post after other people have posted. but lmk ur thoughts plz.


/this is somewhat religious i think thats why in PaRD


Don't worry Magikarpet, I shall form your opinion for you.

Free will is a misnomer, one does not make any decision free of influence in one way or another. Thus, we have will in that we can exert some control over our decisions, however not complete.
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Don't worry Magikarpet, I shall form your opinion for you.

Free will is a misnomer, one does not make any decision free of influence in one way or another. Thus, we have will in that we can exert some control over our decisions, however not complete.


ooh, thank you very much.
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