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Apr 27 2025 07:14pm
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/breaking-3rd-would-be-trump-assassin-plotted-telegram/

This week a new revelation came out about a link between the third serious would-be Trump assassin and Ukraine
The first assassin and one who actually shot at Trump, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had no connection to Ukraine. The second, Ryan Wesley Routh, was an obsessed LARPing Ukrainian ultranationalist trying to recruit people to fight overseas and plotting to murder Trump because of the war- but he was also self-radicalized and dismissed by Ukrainians who had no real contact with him- he was a clear example of delusions of grandeur rather than a conspiracy. But just this february->march 17 year old Nikita Casap was arrested for murdering his mother and stepfather, in a plot to steal their bank accounts and use the money to pay for a weaponized drone to assassinate Donald Trump. And he was an ardent neo-Nazi accelerationist that wanted to kill Trump for "promoting white genocide and degeneracy" and declaring "Jewish occupied governments must fall. The white race cannot survive unless America collapses" in his manifesto in which he hail'd hitler repeatedly. That much of the story was available until the new filing this week, that's not news

As it turns out in the new FBI documents:

Nikita Casap was in an active conspiracy with at least one Ukrainian national on Telegram, more likely multiple, plotting the murder of his parents, purchase of a military drone and assassination of Trump together and laying out his target and motives. The Ukrainians were not only aware of his plot to kill Trump, but engaged in overt acts of conspiracy to assist his plan. Casap, with all the planning skills of a schizoid 17 year old, intended to take a remote route to avoid law enforcement and lay low before fleeing overseas to live in Ukraine, hoping that Zelensky would shelter him even if it was publicly known he murdered Trump. One Ukrainian is identified as "Roman Viktorovych" whether that's a real name or not, and using Ukrainian cyrillic in his name and a Ukrainian country code and number and writing with Ukrainian cyrillic orthography and spellings as opposed to Russian/international scripts. "Roman" wrote to Casap in cyrillic as he laid out the plan to kill Trump. Another presumed Ukrainian who wrote under an anonymous name/number in Cyrillic actively assisted Casap by instructing him to hide his parent's bodies in the basement to buy time, to obtain a new license plate to swap on his vehicle and laid out the mapped escape route to take him from Wyoming to California. They spoke in not-really-disguised code about the cost of a "bike" with "200 wheels", except just directly saying its a drone with a shrapnel bomb paid for by bitcoin. There were also messages implying money had already been sent by Casap, though any logistical progress on when or how he'd carry out the assassination remains doubtful and unknown.
It appears Casap murdered his parents in mid February and continued to live in the house for two weeks while attempting to arrange the assassination, fleeing at the end of the month with their cash and jewelry. In those two weeks, he continued submitting schoolwork online and sent message to family members via his parents phones to pretend they were alive. A welfare check found the bodies badly decomposed on Februrary 28th in Wisconsin, and Casap was arrested while running a stop sign on March 1st in Kansas

The first gunman actually shot Trump and would have killed him but for a conveniently timed immigration chart, and was taken out by countersnipers. The second got in place to have the drop on him but was thwarted by normal security measures as an advance agent spotted him and was taken alive. This kid killed his parents but never got close to Trump, and was taken alive.
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Apr 27 2025 07:25pm
This will surely help their cause to get more support from the US
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Apr 27 2025 07:36pm
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/breaking-3rd-would-be-trump-assassin-plotted-telegram/

This week a new revelation came out about a link between the third serious would-be Trump assassin and Ukraine
The first assassin and one who actually shot at Trump, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had no connection to Ukraine. The second, Ryan Wesley Routh, was an obsessed LARPing Ukrainian ultranationalist trying to recruit people to fight overseas and plotting to murder Trump because of the war- but he was also self-radicalized and dismissed by Ukrainians who had no real contact with him- he was a clear example of delusions of grandeur rather than a conspiracy. But just this february->march 17 year old Nikita Casap was arrested for murdering his mother and stepfather, in a plot to steal their bank accounts and use the money to pay for a weaponized drone to assassinate Donald Trump. And he was an ardent neo-Nazi accelerationist that wanted to kill Trump for "promoting white genocide and degeneracy" and declaring "Jewish occupied governments must fall. The white race cannot survive unless America collapses" in his manifesto in which he hail'd hitler repeatedly. That much of the story was available until the new filing this week, that's not news

As it turns out in the new FBI documents:

Nikita Casap was in an active conspiracy with at least one Ukrainian national on Telegram, more likely multiple, plotting the murder of his parents, purchase of a military drone and assassination of Trump together and laying out his target and motives. The Ukrainians were not only aware of his plot to kill Trump, but engaged in overt acts of conspiracy to assist his plan. Casap, with all the planning skills of a schizoid 17 year old, intended to take a remote route to avoid law enforcement and lay low before fleeing overseas to live in Ukraine, hoping that Zelensky would shelter him even if it was publicly known he murdered Trump. One Ukrainian is identified as "Roman Viktorovych" whether that's a real name or not, and using Ukrainian cyrillic in his name and a Ukrainian country code and number and writing with Ukrainian cyrillic orthography and spellings as opposed to Russian/international scripts. "Roman" wrote to Casap in cyrillic as he laid out the plan to kill Trump. Another presumed Ukrainian who wrote under an anonymous name/number in Cyrillic actively assisted Casap by instructing him to hide his parent's bodies in the basement to buy time, to obtain a new license plate to swap on his vehicle and laid out the mapped escape route to take him from Wyoming to California. They spoke in not-really-disguised code about the cost of a "bike" with "200 wheels", except just directly saying its a drone with a shrapnel bomb paid for by bitcoin. There were also messages implying money had already been sent by Casap, though any logistical progress on when or how he'd carry out the assassination remains doubtful and unknown.
It appears Casap murdered his parents in mid February and continued to live in the house for two weeks while attempting to arrange the assassination, fleeing at the end of the month with their cash and jewelry. In those two weeks, he continued submitting schoolwork online and sent message to family members via his parents phones to pretend they were alive. A welfare check found the bodies badly decomposed on Februrary 28th in Wisconsin, and Casap was arrested while running a stop sign on March 1st in Kansas

The first gunman actually shot Trump and would have killed him but for a conveniently timed immigration chart, and was taken out by countersnipers. The second got in place to have the drop on him but was thwarted by normal security measures as an advance agent spotted him and was taken alive. This kid killed his parents but never got close to Trump, and was taken alive.


I'd want to kill my parents too if they gave me a girls name.
From your summary it appears the guy plotting with him wasn't serious and just dipped after BTC payment was sent.
If they every catch him and extradite him he's in trouble, if he's not in Russia he should probably flee to there now.
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Apr 28 2025 01:03am
"Ukrainian Plots" makes it sound state sponsored, which I think we can all agree on is extremely unlikely with their evidence (ukrainian vodafone, ukrainian kyrllics - so anybody with a cellphone in e.g. crimea?). Feel free to correct me if I read the evidence wrong, thanks for providing a source.

Could have been ukrainians, or russians, or some third actor with a tech understanding slightly above the average boomer. Although Russia loves Trump, so two random people in Ukraine seems most plausible to me.
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Apr 28 2025 02:32am
"Ukrainian Plots" makes it sound state sponsored, which I think we can all agree on is extremely unlikely with their evidence (ukrainian vodafone, ukrainian kyrllics - so anybody with a cellphone in e.g. crimea?). Feel free to correct me if I read the evidence wrong, thanks for providing a source.

Could have been ukrainians, or russians, or some third actor with a tech understanding slightly above the average boomer. Although Russia loves Trump, so two random people in Ukraine seems most plausible to me.


There's no reason to think its anything other than what it was at face value, Ukrainian nationals plotting with a teen in America to assassinate Trump. Chatting realtime in Cyrillic makes it extremely unlikely to be non-slavs, and using the Ukrainian spellings, exclusive letters and area code means either its Ukrainians in Ukraine, or someone working very hard to imitate them. Except any idea that its somehow a contrived Russian plot makes no sense, because it would follow reverse causality- nobody would have any reason to know or care who this kid is until he actually killed his parents and planned to kill Trump. Hence its definitely not a false flag plot.

That fact that the same neo-nazis we're arming with heavy weapons in Ukraine have already been involved in a plot to murder a US president, while the war is still going, really speedruns their taliban arc.
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Apr 28 2025 04:01am
There's no reason to think its anything other than what it was at face value, Ukrainian nationals plotting with a teen in America to assassinate Trump. Chatting realtime in Cyrillic makes it extremely unlikely to be non-slavs, and using the Ukrainian spellings, exclusive letters and area code means either its Ukrainians in Ukraine, or someone working very hard to imitate them. Except any idea that its somehow a contrived Russian plot makes no sense, because it would follow reverse causality- nobody would have any reason to know or care who this kid is until he actually killed his parents and planned to kill Trump. Hence its definitely not a false flag plot.

That fact that the same neo-nazis we're arming with heavy weapons in Ukraine have already been involved in a plot to murder a US president, while the war is still going, really speedruns their taliban arc.


I can chat in realtime in kyrillic with you right now if you want and I am neither russian nor ukrainian. This is what I meant with "slightly above boomer level" technical proficiency.

I do not understand your reasoning for the second part at all. If I wanted to blame Ukraine, that seems like a very easy way to do it. Especially with there being a 0% chance that the kid actually kills Trump with a drone and a 100% chance of the kid being caught.

Lastly there might be two Ukrainians planning Trumps death for all we know, there are probably more than two americans planning Trumps death too - and two germans planning the death of Scholz or Habeck would also be no surprise at all to me either. No clue what that has to do with neo nazis or the taliban, enlighten me.
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Apr 28 2025 05:26am
I can chat in realtime in kyrillic with you right now if you want and I am neither russian nor ukrainian. This is what I meant with "slightly above boomer level" technical proficiency.

I do not understand your reasoning for the second part at all. If I wanted to blame Ukraine, that seems like a very easy way to do it. Especially with there being a 0% chance that the kid actually kills Trump with a drone and a 100% chance of the kid being caught.

Lastly there might be two Ukrainians planning Trumps death for all we know, there are probably more than two americans planning Trumps death too - and two germans planning the death of Scholz or Habeck would also be no surprise at all to me either. No clue what that has to do with neo nazis or the taliban, enlighten me.


Again this would be an inverted cause/effect. There's no imaginable way spooky Russian agents are laying elaborate traps for random American teenagers by impersonating Ukrainians to lure them into plans to murder their family and assassinate Trump. You're taking the end result, that we know about this kid because of his actions, and working backwards from the endpoint to construct a scenario where someone has manipulated it. That makes no sense. No intelligence agency could possibly anticipate this kind of scenario even given infinite time and resources, for the most pointless application. How many hundreds of thousands of Russian agents would have to be out fishing for impressionable kids to find one to carry out an attack? This is basic logical reasoning

The kid was an ardent eastern european (moldovan) neo-nazi who literally used "accelerationist" as his screenname as he talked to other neonazi ukrainians. We are supporting the neo-nazis in ukraine in their war with heavy weaponry to fight russia just like we did with the taliban, and there's every reason to think a group of regressive militants with access to our guns will turn against us in our lifetimes, like the taliban (and ISIS) did. And now we're seeing them try to kill our president.
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Apr 28 2025 06:21am
Again this would be an inverted cause/effect. There's no imaginable way spooky Russian agents are laying elaborate traps for random American teenagers by impersonating Ukrainians to lure them into plans to murder their family and assassinate Trump. You're taking the end result, that we know about this kid because of his actions, and working backwards from the endpoint to construct a scenario where someone has manipulated it. That makes no sense. No intelligence agency could possibly anticipate this kind of scenario even given infinite time and resources, for the most pointless application. How many hundreds of thousands of Russian agents would have to be out fishing for impressionable kids to find one to carry out an attack? This is basic logical reasoning

The kid was an ardent eastern european (moldovan) neo-nazi who literally used "accelerationist" as his screenname as he talked to other neonazi ukrainians. We are supporting the neo-nazis in ukraine in their war with heavy weaponry to fight russia just like we did with the taliban, and there's every reason to think a group of regressive militants with access to our guns will turn against us in our lifetimes, like the taliban (and ISIS) did. And now we're seeing them try to kill our president.


By that logic america is on it's way to be the taliban or ISIS with the number of attempts to end Trumps life done by americans.
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Apr 28 2025 07:28am
By that logic america is on it's way to be the taliban or ISIS with the number of attempts to end Trumps life done by americans.


I mean….the US has gotten pretty wild.
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