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Nov 8 2024 11:38pm
so it looks like the left is losing elections as of late and will be losing one here in canada soon as well

thoughts on what they can do to appeal to voters?
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Nov 9 2024 12:02am
Quote (duffman316 @ 9 Nov 2024 13:38)
so it looks like the left is losing elections as of late and will be losing one here in canada soon as well

thoughts on what they can do to appeal to voters?


You will be surprised what will happen if they get rid of all the LGBTQ+ , BLM, Woke , DEI Agenda and not force feed nations across the globe with their propaganda via their established media and using NGOs as Geo Political coercion.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 9 2024 07:02am)
You will be surprised what will happen if they get rid of all the LGBTQ+ , BLM, Woke , DEI Agenda and not force feed nations across the globe with their propaganda via their established media and using NGOs as Geo Political coercion.


Is it just me, or do I think it's strange that Democrats (left) have been systematically discriminating young white men while at the same time promoting DEI, and using abortion (a very emotional subject for women obviously) as a campaign strategy? Causing division between the two genders, maybe for a reason.
This while they project world population to decrease. Almost seems fabricated? Or am I reaching too far?

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Is it just me, or do I think it's strange that Democrats (left) have been systematically discriminating young white men while at the same time promoting DEI, and using abortion (a very emotional subject for women obviously) as a campaign strategy? Causing division between the two genders, maybe for a reason.
This while they project world population to decrease. Almost seems fabricated? Or am I reaching too far?


The Left divisive campaign is what killed them, not Donald Trump. On top of it , the Necon and Liberal interventionist agenda for worldwide warmongering is another reason.

The republicans and democrats after the fall of Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact basically become the same party. USA is somehow ruled by the same party.
Long story short, Same Agenda Worldwide but Different Teams domestically.

Donald Trump at least, how he market himself as, seems to be out of the establishment control, or at the very least people feel that the establishment will find it hard to control him.

Which is also why he won.

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The Left divisive campaign is what killed them, not Donald Trump. On top of it , the Necon and Liberal interventionist agenda for worldwide warmongering is another reason.

The republicans and democrats after the fall of Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact basically become the same party. USA is somehow ruled by the same party.
Long story short, Same Agenda Worldwide but Different Teams domestically.

Donald Trump at least, how he market himself as, seems to be out of the establishment control, or at the very least people feel that the establishment will find it hard to control him.

Which is also why he won.


That last one is reason enough he should win. And he did.

Normally I see jokes about countries that have oil and people saying "watch America bring them democracy" but right now I think this should get a serious tone. We could use some of Trump's democracy in Europe. All our countries are just as corrupt, if not worse, than yours is right now.
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Nov 9 2024 01:17am
What could republicans have done to appeal to voters in 2020?
Sometimes the chickens are just coming home to roost, sometimes an act of god smites you down. Consequences of either your own mismanagement or just larger trends outside of your control. Its not an issue of messaging or outreach or door knocking. Democrats just ran one of the most expensive campaigns in history and outspent Trump significantly, but more people watched Trump sling fries at mcdonalds and ride in a garbage truck than listened to a whole speech by Kamala trying to explain how she pinky swears to stop inflation.

Taking centrist positions on social issues instead of being freaky zealots will appeal to the middle and pick up voters, but it won't bridge the kind of gap that exists from the economy, or wars, or a pandemic, or whatever becomes the main issue of 2028.
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That last one is reason enough he should win. And he did.

Normally I see jokes about countries that have oil and people saying "watch America bring them democracy" but right now I think this should get a serious tone. We could use some of Trump's democracy in Europe. All our countries are just as corrupt, if not worse, than yours is right now.


My country Singapore is pretty Good. We don't need Trump's democracy to be honest. B)

Europe on the other hand is basically sucking the NATO (lead by USA) Pacifier. They utilized American's taxpayers for military security while earning a ton of money for themselves.
Look at Germany's rise to a economical powerhouse (We are talking about after WW2 history not before) after the Berlin Wall fell. How much EU spend on their security, how much US and US Taxpayers spend on EU's security.

But then again to be fair to EU, it takes two hands to clap, America's Foreign Policy Establishment are willing to go along because of their own agenda and policy controlling EU.
So in a way both are at fault for what is happening in Europe at the moment.

Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Nov 2024 15:17)
What could republicans have done to appeal to voters in 2020?
Sometimes the chickens are just coming home to roost, sometimes an act of god smites you down. Consequences of either your own mismanagement or just larger trends outside of your control. Its not an issue of messaging or outreach or door knocking. Democrats just ran one of the most expensive campaigns in history and outspent Trump significantly, but more people watched Trump sling fries at mcdonalds and ride in a garbage truck than listened to a whole speech by Kamala trying to explain how she pinky swears to stop inflation.

Taking centrist positions on social issues instead of being freaky zealots will appeal to the middle and pick up voters, but it won't bridge the kind of gap that exists from the economy, or wars, or a pandemic, or whatever becomes the main issue of 2028.


They have been talking about forgiving student loans for example.

Imagine the Student Loans they are able to forgive for the amount of money they ran on their campaign.

Absolute Farce.

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The Left divisive campaign is what killed them, not Donald Trump. On top of it , the Necon and Liberal interventionist agenda for worldwide warmongering is another reason.

The republicans and democrats after the fall of Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact basically become the same party. USA is somehow ruled by the same party.
Long story short, Same Agenda Worldwide but Different Teams domestically.

Donald Trump at least, how he market himself as, seems to be out of the establishment control, or at the very least people feel that the establishment will find it hard to control him.

Which is also why he won.


Feels like the soviet union commies fled Russia to here and inserted their commie propaganda roots into the US.
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Nov 9 2024 01:24am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 9 2024 08:17am)
My country Singapore is pretty Good. We don't need Trump's democracy to be honest. B)

Europe on the other hand is basically sucking the NATO (lead by USA) Pacifier. They utilized American's taxpayers for military security while earning a ton of money for themselves.
Look at Germany's rise to a economical powerhouse (We are talking about after WW2 history not before) after the Berlin Wall fell. How much EU spend on their security, how much US and US Taxpayers spend on EU's security.

But then again to be fair to EU, it takes two hands to clap, America's Foreign Policy Establishment are willing to go along because of their own agenda and policy controlling EU.
So in a way both are at fault for what is happening in Europe at the moment.



They have been talking about forgiving student loans for example.

Imagine the Student Loans they are able to forgive for the amount of money they ran on their campaign.

Absolute Farce.


The student loan forgiveness I've followed for a while now because I have a lot of money in SoFi, a US stock that is originally a company that gave out student loans lol. Trump's win has been good for my stocks this week =)
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Nov 9 2024 01:33am
Quote (Bart1989 @ 9 Nov 2024 15:24)
The student loan forgiveness I've followed for a while now because I have a lot of money in SoFi, a US stock that is originally a company that gave out student loans lol. Trump's win has been good for my stocks this week =)


Look......if you have so much freaking money for a campaign why not use it for student loans.

Call me dumb. Dems have controlled of almost the entire mainstream media in the United States. And they have the best financing for their campaign 11 Billion USD 2024

If You spend 50% of the 11 Billion on Student loans , infrastructure etc etc and you actually did it and the Media proof that you did. You won't be out of the white house now.

I am not just talking about the 11 Billion Campaign finance, the amount of money , donations , weapon loans etc etc to Ukraine for example and elsewhere around the world using taxpayers money.
Ukraine is a god damn farce but then again it didn't started a few years back , all this started after the collapse of USSR when the US became the sole power in the world in a Uni Polar moment.

If you are spending that much money and USA is still somewhat in the state they are back in the 90s or even the Iraq 2000s, I find it fair enough and well founded since you can always lie about your interest and worldwide agenda while USA is still fairly normal.

But you have to sprinkle some LGBTQ, BLM, DEI, WOKE condiments on your society. Even then, I think it is still ok because it's a internal issue and an American problem. But you have to spread it Worldwide.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 9 2024 01:34am
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