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Aug 9 2023 06:41pm
Trump has been indicted in multiple cases, some far more serious than others. The recent indictment for conduct relating to his attempt to overturn the 2020 election result, and my inability to find serious discussion of that case, produced this thread. Here we can discuss any case of his, but I would particularly welcome discussion of the most recent indictment(attempted coup).

Feel free to post your opinions(in text(not image or video) form). I have some thoughts.
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Aug 9 2023 07:17pm
In hopes we get him this time! :locked:
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Aug 9 2023 07:19pm
Trump was indicted in New York for paying hush money to Stormy Daniels out of his own personal funds. New York's election laws are the most openly corrupt in the country, allowing politicians to get away with plundering their campaign coffers because the board of elections has defined the code to say that 'anything related to an election' can be paid using campaign funds, even in the most tenuous links, with examples like a politician taking a single drive to a campaign stop with a vehicle he buys with campaign funds and keeping it. At the federal level, campaign finance is defined by the 'irrespective test' of the FEC, which says spending must be personal if it could exist irrespective of an election- the classical example being a politician getting an expensive haircut to look good on TV, is still a personal expense because he'd get a haircut anyway. The New York prosecution hinges on inverting the overly permissive state level interpretation with the novel legal theory that they can prosecute anyone who spends personal funds on anything that could influence an election- instead of permitting corrupt politicians to get away with obvious bribery, they'd say that an honest politician complying with the federal law would be committing a state crime. Under the federal definition, 'a wealthy businessman paying hush money to a mistress to preserve his reputation' is something that could happen irrespective of a campaign, which we know for a fact because Donald Trump has already done it before being a politician. Under the reinterpretation used by the DA, anything that could influence the results of an election must be paid with campaign funds. Which means if it was paid with campaign funds, its a federal crime, and if its paid with personal funds, its a state crime, a catch 22 that criminalizes lawful conduct either way. And what's more, if applied evenly, it means every politician in new york state would be guilty of a crime because you'd be able to dig up any contrived connection to a campaign. If Chuck Schumer spends $12 to buy a lox bagel at a kosher deli, he's building rapport with the jewish bloc, gotta throw him in the slammer

The rest of the cases just follow that kind of template. When a crime doesn't exist, you can twist the law to invent a new one, even if it would criminalize everyone else's conduct- you simply don't charge them. So what if Joe Biden had classified documents stored next to his corvette, the same corvette that Hunter Biden used while taking selfies with prostitutes, while taking $20 million+ in bribes with half held for 'the big guy'. So what if half the democrats in congress participated in inciting riots in the summer of 2020 while Donald Trump told people to peacefully go home and respect law enforcement?

We got hard evidence today that the Biden administration coerced the Pakistani government and military with threats to force them to removed Imran Khan from office, bring him up on phony charges and throw him in prison and bar him from running for office (the murder attempt was a freebie). After all, leaving the fate of Pakistani democracy in the hands of the people would be far too great a risk.
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Aug 9 2023 07:20pm
Quote (KeeperHalidom @ Aug 9 2023 09:17pm)
In hopes we get him this time! :locked:


This is one of the uncritical stances that Trump supporters take though, right? Because people have gone after him over wrongdoing before and have failed to "take him down", more attempts to hold him accountable for wrongdoing are met with unintellectual, unengaged shrugs. At this point you've completely checked out from having a fully formed brain in regards to these topics.
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Aug 9 2023 07:30pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2023 09:19pm)
Trump was indicted in New York for paying hush money to Stormy Daniels out of his own personal funds. New York's election laws are the most openly corrupt in the country, allowing politicians to get away with plundering their campaign coffers because the board of elections has defined the code to say that 'anything related to an election' can be paid using campaign funds, even in the most tenuous links, with examples like a politician taking a single drive to a campaign stop with a vehicle he buys with campaign funds and keeping it. At the federal level, campaign finance is defined by the 'irrespective test' of the FEC, which says spending must be personal if it could exist irrespective of an election- the classical example being a politician getting an expensive haircut to look good on TV, is still a personal expense because he'd get a haircut anyway. The New York prosecution hinges on inverting the overly permissive state level interpretation with the novel legal theory that they can prosecute anyone who spends personal funds on anything that could influence an election- instead of permitting corrupt politicians to get away with obvious bribery, they'd say that an honest politician complying with the federal law would be committing a state crime. Under the federal definition, 'a wealthy businessman paying hush money to a mistress to preserve his reputation' is something that could happen irrespective of a campaign, which we know for a fact because Donald Trump has already done it before being a politician. Under the reinterpretation used by the DA, anything that could influence the results of an election must be paid with campaign funds. Which means if it was paid with campaign funds, its a federal crime, and if its paid with personal funds, its a state crime, a catch 22 that criminalizes lawful conduct either way. And what's more, if applied evenly, it means every politician in new york state would be guilty of a crime because you'd be able to dig up any contrived connection to a campaign. If Chuck Schumer spends $12 to buy a lox bagel at a kosher deli, he's building rapport with the jewish bloc, gotta throw him in the slammer

The rest of the cases just follow that kind of template. When a crime doesn't exist, you can twist the law to invent a new one, even if it would criminalize everyone else's conduct- you simply don't charge them. So what if Joe Biden had classified documents stored next to his corvette, the same corvette that Hunter Biden used while taking selfies with prostitutes, while taking $20 million+ in bribes with half held for 'the big guy'. So what if half the democrats in congress participated in inciting riots in the summer of 2020 while Donald Trump told people to peacefully go home and respect law enforcement?

We got hard evidence today that the Biden administration coerced the Pakistani government and military with threats to force them to removed Imran Khan from office, bring him up on phony charges and throw him in prison and bar him from running for office (the murder attempt was a freebie). After all, leaving the fate of Pakistani democracy in the hands of the people would be far too great a risk.


You spend most of your post focusing on the weakest indictment against Trump.

In the classified documents case, Trump is charged with withholding classified documents, and obstruction. So the example of Joe Biden having documents in an unsecure place is not at all equivalent to what Trump was charged with.

Trump, in the coup attempt case, has not been charged with inciting a riot. He was charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights. The indictment lays out some of the damning facts on those counts.

I think your flaccid response reveals how there's not much of a defense for what Trump has done. The whataboutism doesn't even make sense.
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Aug 9 2023 07:38pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 9 2023 06:20pm)
This is one of the uncritical stancesthat Trump supporters take though, right? Because people have gone after him over wrongdoing before and have failed to "take him down", more attempts to hold him accountable for wrongdoing are met with unintellectual, unengaged shrugs. At this point you've completely checked out from having a fully formed brain in regards to these topics.


when have leftie frauds ever been critical
russia russia russia REEEEEEEEEEEEE

OR perhaps we just tire of leftie criminals

This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 9 2023 07:39pm
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Aug 9 2023 07:48pm


The lawyer in this video defended Trump at his first impeachment trial.
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Aug 9 2023 07:49pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 9 2023 09:48pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4qaoDBx7t8

The lawyer in this video defended Trump at his first impeachment trial.


Another:

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Quote (IceMage @ Aug 9 2023 08:20pm)
This is one of the uncritical stances that Trump supporters take though, right? Because people have gone after him over wrongdoing before and have failed to "take him down", more attempts to hold him accountable for wrongdoing are met with unintellectual, unengaged shrugs. At this point you've completely checked out from having a fully formed brain in regards to these topics.


I checked out of topics like this a long time ago.
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Aug 9 2023 08:08pm
Quote (KeeperHalidom @ Aug 9 2023 09:55pm)
I checked out of topics like this a long time ago.


Well you posting that you aren't following anything on this topic qualifies as you following the topic in a dead brain way.
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