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Jun 29 2023 08:34am
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

The supreme court has ruled affirmative action for college admissions to be unconstitutional, a violation of the fourteenth amendment and holds this tightening of criterion to be in holding with the temporal limits of previous precedents that laid out a path for eliminating all race-based criterion, eventually.
The majority decision was penned by Roberts, with separate concurring opinions by Kavanaugh and Thomas who would go farther to strike down all kinds of race considerations, and the three liberal justices dissented.
The opinion of the court laid out that race may no longer be used as a blanket consideration, cannot be used for benefit or penalty as a condition of its own, but could still be considered for the experiences unique to an individual. As per their own examples;

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For the reasons provided above, the Harvard and UNC admissions programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause. Both programs lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful end points. We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today. At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissenting opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name.” A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race.
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Jun 29 2023 08:45am
good riddance to that racist institution /spit
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Jun 29 2023 08:54am
finally the Asian race can stop underperforming.
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Jun 29 2023 09:49am
While I am painfully aware of the social and economic ravages which have befallen my race and all who suffer discrimination, I hold out enduring hope that this country will live up to its principles so clearly enunciated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States: that all men are created equal, are equal citizens, and must be treated equally before the law.



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Jun 29 2023 10:00am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 29 2023 07:54am)
finally the Asian race can stop underperforming.


It's funny how it's couldn't just be won on an argument of logic. They had to find yet another minority group and say "Oh gee, these non-whites aren't benefitting, looks like you're the real racists." It's all so tiresome, every ethnic interest can be addressed by the courts and congress unless you're ethnically white.
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Jun 29 2023 10:03am
ah yes

the old

"i just hope it goes away' tactic

ya just let me Thanos snap my fingers and institutional prejudice and racism will just go away

but ya if I am being serious I think this is a good thing. Just like the threatening decision. You cant just force people to act one way. You cant make it a law or a rule to have a certain quota of races or people or w/e but that in itself is actual racism. Its a very tricky subject. i understand Clarence when he says he hopes that people will just stop being racist. I get that. In fact I argue the exact same thing. Yes, if everyone could understand the nuances of actual racism and were fully educated on the fine points of prejudice then okay sure, ya, we can stop being racist, maybe.. I get that, its just funny to poke fun at him saying it because... well... as awesome an idea it is, there is almost no possibility of that happening due to the human condition.

I am glad the court decided to stop the meter falling too far on the other side in this case, people are being racist, so impose restrictions which forcesss them to be racist? its wierd.. so I am glad it got shut down ultimately. Still funny to laugh at.

I am also glad they made it so threats must have the issuer understand the threat theya re making. This makes sense. At the end of the day, words dont hurt anyone, so it shouldnt be punished like the crime was done. Of course, people shouldnt just threaten people willy nilly anyway, for sure. I am not saying people should threatene evryone elses chidlren or w/e I am just saying that a persons right to say whatever they want trumps another privilege of being in a 100% safe bubble.

I dont agree with Peterson on much anymore considering he has really let the pharms fuck his mind but he had a good point in a debate one day that everyone speaks with the potential consequence of offending someone, thats just part of the mode of being, so you can't scrutinize one part of speech without scrutinizing speech altogether.

This post was edited by Crunkt on Jun 29 2023 10:12am
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Jun 29 2023 10:06am
Quote (Crunkt @ Jun 29 2023 09:03am)
ah yes

the old

"i just hope it goes away' tactic

ya just let me Thanos snap my fingers and institutional prejudice and racism will just go away


There's no such thing as institutional prejudice and racism, they are illegal. Nice try. Looks like you'll just have to study a little harder to improve your standardized test scores.
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Jun 29 2023 10:08am
Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Jun 29 2023 11:00am)
It's funny how it's couldn't just be won on an argument of logic. They had to find yet another minority group and say "Oh gee, these non-whites aren't benefitting, looks like you're the real racists." It's all so tiresome, every ethnic interest can be addressed by the courts and congress unless you're ethnically white.


It was never about logic really. the logic of the law was to close a gap, not to create equality. it didn't work, and rather than helping the group it intended to it hurt a group it didn't intend to.

when the law was written and aimed at college admissions there was no way to know that in a few decades college admissions would let anyone in with a pulse and student loans would be all but guaranteed to anyone who wanted them. now its more problematic than helpful, as lower GPA students are admitted due to race and take max loans for 1-2 semesters then are saddled with pointless debt. and we live in a culture of diversity quotas from a corporate mandated place, leaving govt required mandates ineffectual and pointless.

arguing against AA from a 1990s perspective was stupid, supporting it today is likewise stupid.
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Jun 29 2023 10:10am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 29 2023 09:08am)
It was never about logic really. the logic of the law was to close a gap, not to create equality. it didn't work, and rather than helping the group it intended to it hurt a group it didn't intend to.

when the law was written and aimed at college admissions there was no way to know that in a few decades college admissions would let anyone in with a pulse and student loans would be all but guaranteed to anyone who wanted them. now its more problematic than helpful, as lower GPA students are admitted due to race and take max loans for 1-2 semesters then are saddled with pointless debt. and we live in a culture of diversity quotas from a corporate mandated place, leaving govt required mandates ineffectual and pointless.

arguing against AA from a 1990s perspective was stupid, supporting it today is likewise stupid.


The older I get, I tend to find the simple arguments more appealing. Best grades can get into school. Highest scores can get the job.
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Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ 29 Jun 2023 12:06)
There's no such thing as institutional prejudice and racism, they are illegal. Nice try. Looks like you'll just have to study a little harder to improve your standardized test scores.


What do you mean?

Having a college made mandate that they must accept at least 200 black people regardless of qualifications is institutional racism, thats the whole point of the court case.

Im not going to reply to a dude that thinks he is important enough to need to greentext everything he types

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